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#21 Robin Graves

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:22 PM


 

Ooh, sorry Robin, but the Exorcists have a confirmed progenitor chapter.... Which are The Grey Knights themselves! :D And yes, alpha legion could be (are) infiltrating other chapters (which has it's own level of awesome for stories) but I'm looking for chapters made up entirely of members with gene-seed from the traitor primarchs. Gotta look up that extermination book, see how likely a group of iron warrior survivors could be.

 

 

Aww to bad.

 

Question; during the pre-heresy era did the imperium have stockpiles of legion geneseed in other places besides the legions howeworlds? If so, it could be possible that chapters haven been created with "traitor" geneseed, altough its far more likely that the inquisiton destroyed those. I believe even the Dark angels' geneseed was under suspicion for a while.



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:36 PM

How about extreme time distortion from warp travel? Say you are in command of a legion strike vessel (let's say Iron Warriors) with a small contigent of legionaries. you have just won a great victory on Istvaan V. You get orders to conquer some backwater world to use as a suply dump. You head into the warp- and when you come out the chronometer reads M40.581 and when you make planetfall you find the people worshiping the Emperor. And it has nothing to do with Lorgar- they have been worshiping the emperor for 10.000 years now. And on the frescoes of the imperial basilica you find a mural of the emperor slaying the beast Horus. Now what would you do?

 

Bear in mind: you have NO idea what happened after the drop site massacres. Maybe you have seen the eye of terror on a galactic map, but you have no idea thats where the traitors fled to. You might be able to find out from the populace that the astartes are the emperors angels of vengeance. What do you do? Head for Terra to fight for a warmaster that is 10.000 years dead. Or is it more likely that you pretend to be some obscure space marine chapter?

Unless you somehow can make contact with traitor marines- and even if you can, do you still want to join them once you see what they have become? (especially the deathguard!)



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 03:57 PM

How about extreme time distortion from warp travel? Say you are in command of a legion strike vessel (let's say Iron Warriors) with a small contigent of legionaries. you have just won a great victory on Istvaan V. You get orders to conquer some backwater world to use as a suply dump. You head into the warp- and when you come out the chronometer reads M40.581 and when you make planetfall you find the people worshiping the Emperor. And it has nothing to do with Lorgar- they have been worshiping the emperor for 10.000 years now. And on the frescoes of the imperial basilica you find a mural of the emperor slaying the beast Horus. Now what would you do?

 

Bear in mind: you have NO idea what happened after the drop site massacres. Maybe you have seen the eye of terror on a galactic map, but you have no idea thats where the traitors fled to. You might be able to find out from the populace that the astartes are the emperors angels of vengeance. What do you do? Head for Terra to fight for a warmaster that is 10.000 years dead. Or is it more likely that you pretend to be some obscure space marine chapter?

Unless you somehow can make contact with traitor marines- and even if you can, do you still want to join them once you see what they have become? (especially the deathguard!)

 

Well, if you had turned traitor, you'll more than likely remain so, and probably head out to a Warp tear to regroup with the rest of your kin or become a band of raiders. Finding out that traitor marines fled to the warp is not too difficult, but getting there, and getting in without getting destroyed by the warp and hordes of other heretics and traitors might be a bit more difficult. Becoming raiders is even easier, since you already have a ship and serious equipment; you just have to find more up to date navigation charts, and are set for the most part.

 

However, you might reconsider your past actions based on the consequences they had (most of you fellow have become chaos tainted abobinations, which you never signed up for), and become some form of renegade chapter ala Soul Drinkers, still affiliated with humanity if not the Imperium, and operating outside the standard command structure.

 

More interestingly, if you get warped to the modern era before your legion turned traitor, you have an even greater dilemma; all you knew about your legion has changed, but if you can find out what truly happened during the Horus Heresy, you may find that the Emperor is not without his own sins. In any case, you'll have to chose between rejoining the ranks of the Imperium or turning your back on it, and, either way, you'll probably want to change your name and heraldry for something not directly associated with the most famous traitor chapters in history. If you change your heraldry, or have one that is not immediately recognizable as traitorous (like the pre-heresy World Eaters, Thousand Sons or Luna Wolves), you should be able to escape any serious scrutiny, and integrate back into modern society as just another chapter long lost in the Warp without too many issues after a getting acquainted with the historical events of the last 10000 years and current state of the Imperium.


Edited by MorioMortis, 10 August 2014 - 03:58 PM.

The stupid must be bashed upon the head with the Mallet of Wisdom until their heads are inflated with knowledge.

 

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:29 PM

The Exorsists chapter could possibly be another group of Thousand Sons.
Pre-heresy TS colors? check.
Fighting daemons using strange methods? check.
All information witheld by the inquistion? check.
Bear in mind, this is my personal view, of certain hints in one of the forgeworld books, so it could be far from canon.

(SPOILERS)
Technicaly the Grey knights count! When they were first formed Nathanial Garro ( former death guard) and other loyalists from the traitor legions are amongst them.

Also several chapters could have been infiltrated by the alpha legion. (as they did with the raven guard legion)

Ooh, sorry Robin, but the Exorcists have a confirmed progenitor chapter.... Which are The Grey Knights themselves! :D And yes, alpha legion could be (are) infiltrating other chapters (which has it's own level of awesome for stories) but I'm looking for chapters made up entirely of members with gene-seed from the traitor primarchs. Gotta look up that extermination book, see how likely a group of iron warrior survivors could be.
Wait, what?! The Grey Knights have successor chapters?! Source?

I'd be interested in hearing a source for this, too.

I was actually mulling over potential links between the Exorcists and the Grey Knights today. They're kind of opposite ends of the same spectrum: marine chapters that fight Daemons in different ways. The Grey Knights are (or were until their last codex) puritans, and the Exorcists are radicals from the outset.

It occurred to me that a neat way to retcon the section from the Grey Knights Codex that everyone hates (ok, not Draigo, the other one, the one about killing Sororitas for their 'pure blood') would be to make the Exorcists something of a dumping ground for the more impure Grey Knights, exiles and borderline heretics who have tried new and radical methods to defeat chaos.

What if those Grey Knights responsible for the massacre of the Sororitas were corrupted/inspired by radical inquisitors, and were subsequently exiled from the chapter by their brothers? What if there is a long tradition of these potentially tainted, radical, but otherwise still deadly and useful Grey Knights being quietly transferred to the Exorcists so the Grey Knights can continue to boast that not one of their number has ever been corrupted by chaos? What if the Exorcists were deliberately created from the start with this concept in mind?

After all, I don't think anyone was upset that Sororitas were being killed to perform chaotic rituals: this sort of thing is common in 40k. What annoyed people was that the GREY KNIGHTS were the ones doing the killing, and this fitted far outside the conception most had of the chapter.

My working assumption had always been that the Grey Knights were of a Puritan mindset. I think I got this idea from the Daemonhunters Codex, which as I recall (don't quote me on this) wouldn't let Grey Knights work with Inquisitors who used Daemonhosts. Like many, I wasn't happy with Grey Knights using Daemon weapons, killing Sororitas etc, as it fitted outside my vision of how they operated.

But what if, behind the scenes, there has long been a struggle within the Grey Knights chapter over exactly HOW they should be fighting chaos? This is a debate that has raged for thousands of years within the Inquisition; Marines are far from stupid, so it seems logical that they should have the same debates. Primarily "should we use the weapons of the enemy against them?"

It's all very well for Inquisitors to fall into squabbling factionalism about these debates, but the Grey Knights are an elite military unit, and they would likely have to make fairly rapid and robust decisions about how these debates should be played out. They can't afford to have a civil war about it: the Imperium depends upon their work.

What if they dealt with it in the same way as the Iron Hands dealt with the Moriae Schism: by allowing the "rebels" to set up their own franchise? Their own chapter: the Exorcists.

Of course this would probably have taken place over a long period, with the intense scrutiny of high ranking Inquisitor Lords from opposing camps of the radical/Puritan divide. But by using the Exorcists as a "release valve" for wilder ideas and a secret new posting for arguably tainted Brothers, the Grey Knights are able to retain their reputation with high ranking Puritan Inquisitor Lords (likely the most politically influential faction) while also continuing to test out radical theories and get some use out of damaged old warhorses in a new Chapter.

Edited by Lightbringer, 10 August 2014 - 05:45 PM.

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 06:07 PM

 

 

 

The Exorsists chapter could possibly be another group of Thousand Sons.
Pre-heresy TS colors? check.
Fighting daemons using strange methods? check.
All information witheld by the inquistion? check.
Bear in mind, this is my personal view, of certain hints in one of the forgeworld books, so it could be far from canon.

(SPOILERS)
Technicaly the Grey knights count! When they were first formed Nathanial Garro ( former death guard) and other loyalists from the traitor legions are amongst them.

Also several chapters could have been infiltrated by the alpha legion. (as they did with the raven guard legion)

Ooh, sorry Robin, but the Exorcists have a confirmed progenitor chapter.... Which are The Grey Knights themselves! :D And yes, alpha legion could be (are) infiltrating other chapters (which has it's own level of awesome for stories) but I'm looking for chapters made up entirely of members with gene-seed from the traitor primarchs. Gotta look up that extermination book, see how likely a group of iron warrior survivors could be.
Wait, what?! The Grey Knights have successor chapters?! Source?
 
I'd be interested in hearing a source for this, too.

I was actually mulling over potential links between the Exorcists and the Grey Knights today. They're kind of opposite ends of the same spectrum: marine chapters that fight Daemons in different ways. The Grey Knights are (or were until their last codex) puritans, and the Exorcists are radicals from the outset.

It occurred to me that a neat way to retcon the section from the Grey Knights Codex that everyone hates (ok, not Draigo, the other one, the one about killing Sororitas for their 'pure blood') would be to make the Exorcists something of a dumping ground for the more impure Grey Knights, exiles and borderline heretics who have tried new and radical methods to defeat chaos.

 

Great idea to let the Exorsists use the less noble methods of fighting daemons. But can we still get rid of draigo?

 

Inquisitor: "So you are a chapter of daemon hunters? and you're chapter master is where? the WARP? He spends most of his time in the realm of chaos and he occasionaly pops out to lead you guys?- right i know enough. Attention all ship captains, prepare to fire cyclonic warheads at Titan!"


Edited by Robin Graves, 10 August 2014 - 06:07 PM.


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 06:55 PM

How about extreme time distortion from warp travel? Say you are in command of a legion strike vessel (let's say Iron Warriors) with a small contigent of legionaries. you have just won a great victory on Istvaan V. You get orders to conquer some backwater world to use as a suply dump. You head into the warp- and when you come out the chronometer reads M40.581 and when you make planetfall you find the people worshiping the Emperor. And it has nothing to do with Lorgar- they have been worshiping the emperor for 10.000 years now. And on the frescoes of the imperial basilica you find a mural of the emperor slaying the beast Horus. Now what would you do?
 
Bear in mind: you have NO idea what happened after the drop site massacres. Maybe you have seen the eye of terror on a galactic map, but you have no idea thats where the traitors fled to. You might be able to find out from the populace that the astartes are the emperors angels of vengeance. What do you do? Head for Terra to fight for a warmaster that is 10.000 years dead. Or is it more likely that you pretend to be some obscure space marine chapter?
Unless you somehow can make contact with traitor marines- and even if you can, do you still want to join them once you see what they have become? (especially the deathguard!)

 
Well, if you had turned traitor, you'll more than likely remain so, and probably head out to a Warp tear to regroup with the rest of your kin or become a band of raiders. Finding out that traitor marines fled to the warp is not too difficult, but getting there, and getting in without getting destroyed by the warp and hordes of other heretics and traitors might be a bit more difficult. Becoming raiders is even easier, since you already have a ship and serious equipment; you just have to find more up to date navigation charts, and are set for the most part.
 
However, you might reconsider your past actions based on the consequences they had (most of you fellow have become chaos tainted abobinations, which you never signed up for), and become some form of renegade chapter ala Soul Drinkers, still affiliated with humanity if not the Imperium, and operating outside the standard command structure.
 
More interestingly, if you get warped to the modern era before your legion turned traitor, you have an even greater dilemma; all you knew about your legion has changed, but if you can find out what truly happened during the Horus Heresy, you may find that the Emperor is not without his own sins. In any case, you'll have to chose between rejoining the ranks of the Imperium or turning your back on it, and, either way, you'll probably want to change your name and heraldry for something not directly associated with the most famous traitor chapters in history. If you change your heraldry, or have one that is not immediately recognizable as traitorous (like the pre-heresy World Eaters, Thousand Sons or Luna Wolves), you should be able to escape any serious scrutiny, and integrate back into modern society as just another chapter long lost in the Warp without too many issues after a getting acquainted with the historical events of the last 10000 years and current state of the Imperium.

This has actually been done (unofficially). The time displacement, choosing what to do with yourselves, it's the story of the Knights Repentant, a /tg homebrew chapter made up of pre-heresy Word Bearers. Oh, what was that page again?

http://1d4chan.org/w...ights_Repentant

There we go. I highly recommend reading the fluff parts, it's good stuff. Here's my favorite part:

"They searched all of the records, all f the archives and all of the libraries searching, desperately searching for something, anything. Something to make the nightmares they now saw when they closed their eyes and imagined the future that never was, something that could prove all they had witnessed was a bad dream, something to reveal a diabolical ruse. They found nothing of the sort. But they did find some things. They now had a rudimentary knowledge of this new and terrible era. They knew what awaited them.

The only logical thing, the Adeptus Mechanicus claimed, was to run. Flee to the horizon and never, ever stop. This dreaded Inquisition would find them. They would be hunted, and if they did not break orbit immediately they would be put down like rabid, mongrel dogs.

But they had faith. If they were to die then they would die as men, with dignity, not fleeing like rats from a fire. Weapon systems were powered down, shields were lowered, engines cooled, and all over the fleet, the hymns of sorrow were sung. It was a cold and lonely night as they waited for judgement."

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 07:16 PM

Wait, what?! The Grey Knights have successor chapters?! Source?

I'd be interested in hearing a source for this, too.

I was actually mulling over potential links between the Exorcists and the Grey Knights today. They're kind of opposite ends of the same spectrum: marine chapters that fight Daemons in different ways. The Grey Knights are (or were until their last codex) puritans, and the Exorcists are radicals from the outset.
It occurred to me that a neat way to retcon the section from the Grey Knights Codex that everyone hates (ok, not Draigo, the other one, the one about killing Sororitas for their 'pure blood') would be to make the Exorcists something of a dumping ground for the more impure Grey Knights, exiles and borderline heretics who have tried new and radical methods to defeat chaos.
What if those Grey Knights responsible for the massacre of the Sororitas were corrupted/inspired by radical inquisitors, and were subsequently exiled from the chapter by their brothers? What if there is a long tradition of these potentially tainted, radical, but otherwise still deadly and useful Grey Knights being quietly transferred to the Exorcists so the Grey Knights can continue to boast that not one of their number has ever been corrupted by chaos? What if the Exorcists were deliberately created from the start with this concept in mind?.

The source is the book I mentioned earlier; Deathwatch: Xenos Hunters. In it there are two stories about a Kill-team with an Exorcist member. At one point the Exorcist thinks to himself, going over his Chapter's past and history (which of course he can't reveal to the others) and that's where I learned it. I'd seriously recommend the book. I really like your idea, Lightbringer, it sounds much cooler, but the stuff mentioned in the book implied that the Exorcists are an attempt to create the closest thing the Imperium has to Blank Marines, using the grey knights gene seed, and their own crazy initiations, to create the unique chapter. Space Marines with no presence in the Warp.

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 03:40 PM

Hey how about chapters that went traitor but later got the Emperors' forgiveness (not to be confused with the emperors' mercy)

I'm talking about the ones who allied with the Astral Claws during the Badab war:

The Lamenters, Mantis warriors and Executioners.

 

And The Relictors got on the Inquisitions bad side for using the enemies weapons against them. 5and apearantly on the inquisition gets to swing the daemon swords!)

 

And let's not forget the Souldrinkers: branded as traitors,

once (unwittingly) did te bidding of a Lord of change *, but stil remain loyal.

 

* to bad it wasn't Kairos fateweaver :" hey look i'm a two headed bird just like your aquilla, It's ok to worship me!"


Edited by Robin Graves, 11 August 2014 - 03:44 PM.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 03:02 AM

Great idea to let the Exorsists use the less noble methods of fighting daemons. But can we still get rid of draigo?

 

 

Inquisitor: "So you are a chapter of daemon hunters? and you're chapter master is where? the WARP? He spends most of his time in the realm of chaos and he occasionaly pops out to lead you guys?- right i know enough. Attention all ship captains, prepare to fire cyclonic warheads at Titan!"

 

 

You don't need to. Supreme Grand Master Draigo is a perfectly normal Chapter Master based on the Chapter's homeworld.

 

Read the timeline: Draigo returns to Ascralem (where he gets turned into Sam Beckett, leaping from Battlefield to Battlefield, always hoping his next leap will be the leap home) in 999.M41 - i.e. at the end of the current 40k timeline: he spends all of recorded 40k history as the supreme grand master on titan, leading the grey knights in a perfectly conventional manner - see his appearance alongside Azrael in the novel Pandorax.

 

Which goes a long way to making them both awesome. I love the fact that they clearly both really dislike one another despite a level of mutual respect.

 

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"Ahem. Supreme Grand Master."

 

 



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:32 AM

My group was having a talk about which chapter our Black Shield came from (player has left that undecided for now) and naturally after a minute we were talking about the traitor legions. While his chapter is still undecided, I went ahead and thought about Renegade chapters, cursed chapters, and after a moment, chapters that are widely suspected of being drawn from the traitor legions.

(I do not count the Storm Wardens myself)
Minotaurs: suspected World Eaters
Sons of Antaeus: suspected Death Guard
Blood Ravens: suspected Thousand Sons
Red Scorpions: suspected Emperor's Children (did not know this until last night. O.o)

Am I missing any? Cause if not then I can't help but notice that these are all the 4 chapters that are each dedicated to one of the Chaos Gods. Haven't found any sign of loyal black legion, night lords, iron warriors, or alpha legion. 1d4 chan had a home brew chapter, The Knights Repentant, for the Word Bearers, which I thought was pretty cool.

I had my own idea for a loyalist traitor chapter, and I'll share it in my next post, but first I wanna hear your thoughts. I know there must be other threads out there about this but I'm too lazy to look through 50 pages for them. So, loyalist traitors. For, or against? Ideas for the legions without suspected chapters?

 

Carcharodons are possibly Night Lords (or might just be raven guard).


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 11:03 AM


Thank you for the support. Some people thought the Storm Wardens are World Eaters because they're color scheme is close to the pre-heresy legion one, and they have that whole preference for close combat.

 

Worst argument I've ever heard, in regards to the Storm Wardens and their secret origins.

 

I'm still leaning on an old idea, that they're a White Scars successor chapter (the name and iconography is in line with the originating and other successor chapters). And while they favour heavy vehicles over bikes and speeders, their specialty is leaning toward mobile assault.



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 12:15 PM

 


Thank you for the support. Some people thought the Storm Wardens are World Eaters because they're color scheme is close to the pre-heresy legion one, and they have that whole preference for close combat.

 

Worst argument I've ever heard, in regards to the Storm Wardens and their secret origins.

 

I'm still leaning on an old idea, that they're a White Scars successor chapter (the name and iconography is in line with the originating and other successor chapters). And while they favour heavy vehicles over bikes and speeders, their specialty is leaning toward mobile assault.

 

 

So if they have similar color schemes they can't possibly be related, but if they both have a lightning bolt in their logo it's all right?

 

Bear in mind the Blood Ravens (neither blood angel nor raven guard) are widly believed to be the thousand sons with their chapter colors based on the pre-heresy legion colors.

 

For example: Storm hawks; Raven guard chapter. http://wh40k.lexican...iki/Storm_Hawks

Imperial talons: raven guard chapter http://wh40k.lexican...Imperial_Talons

Red talons: Iron hands chapter! http://wh40k.lexican...wiki/Red_Talons



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 05:20 PM

Minotaurs: suspected World Eaters

It seems to me increasingly arguable that the Minotaurs may well be an Iron Warriors successor chapter.

-They're both grim, dour, mechanistic fighters who use ruthless, attritional tactics where necessary
-They both use extensive ancient Greek (Grecic?) imagery.
-Perturabo, according to "Angel Exterminatus" travelled everywhere with a kind of portable labyrinth of his own construction. Minotaurs live in labyrinths. (Well, Theseus' one did, anyway.)
-The Minotaurs are part of the cursed founding, where all kinds of weird stuff was tried out.
-There were known loyalist Iron Warriors elements during the Horus Heresy, such as the 77th Grand Company, who opposed an Alpha Legion strike force during the battle of Paramar, and Warsmith Dantioch.
-Horus Heresy 3: extermination appears to be written in many ways as a companion piece to the Badab War books, giving plausible origins for both the Minotaurs (the aforementioned 77th Grand Company) and the Carcharadons (a unit of Terran pre-primarch discovery Raven Guard banished into a nomad-predation fleet by Corax due to their extreme viciousness.) The book also creates backstory for the origins of the Executioners, among others. Alan Bligh, the author, is clearly creating a pocket "Bligh-verse" within the 40k setting, in much the same way as Dan Abnett did with his "Daniverse". (Which is cool, because Bligh's the best 40k writer currently working in the setting, IMHO.)

Edited by Lightbringer, 14 August 2014 - 05:23 PM.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 05:48 PM

 

-Horus Heresy 3: extermination appears to be written in many ways as a companion piece to the Badab War books, giving plausible origins for both the Minotaurs (the aforementioned 77th Grand Company) and the Carcharadons (a unit of Terran pre-primarch discovery Raven Guard banished into a nomad-predation fleet by Corax due to their extreme viciousness.)

 

Ah good. I was wondering why the Space Sharks were listed as a possible Raven guard successor chapter...



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:11 PM

Aren't the soul drinkers supposed to be descended from traitors as well? I know in the last novel it is reveled that they are not of Dorn.


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Posted 15 August 2014 - 06:38 AM

Aren't the soul drinkers supposed to be descended from traitors as well? I know in the last novel it is reveled that they are not of Dorn.

 I've only read the 1st novel, but weren't they suposed to be second founding Imperial Fists?



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Posted 15 August 2014 - 07:38 PM

Aren't the soul drinkers supposed to be descended from traitors as well? I know in the last novel it is reveled that they are not of Dorn.

 I've only read the 1st novel, but weren't they suposed to be second founding Imperial Fists?

I like the soul drinkers, but I've no clue as to who their founding chapter might really be. I think there story might be over, but I would personally love to see more of them. Maybe even in the deathwatch game with rules. Though I forget just when they went renegade. Was it before or after the 815 time of deathwatch?

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 05:40 PM

 


I like the soul drinkers, but I've no clue as to who their founding chapter might really be. I think there story might be over, but I would personally love to see more of them. Maybe even in the deathwatch game with rules. Though I forget just when they went renegade. Was it before or after the 815 time of deathwatch?

 

 

 I tought they were suposed to be imperial fists. No matter, warp travel time distortion fixes all! Make yourself a soul drinkers black shield and have fun!



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:55 AM

 

 


I like the soul drinkers, but I've no clue as to who their founding chapter might really be. I think there story might be over, but I would personally love to see more of them. Maybe even in the deathwatch game with rules. Though I forget just when they went renegade. Was it before or after the 815 time of deathwatch?

 

 

 I tought they were suposed to be imperial fists. No matter, warp travel time distortion fixes all! Make yourself a soul drinkers black shield and have fun!

 

 

So did they. That's kind of the point - all is explained (or not) if you get to the final book in the series.



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Posted 19 August 2014 - 05:50 AM

Looks like i'll need to go get it then...

 

Damn, poor souldrinkers just can't get a break.Now they find out they are adopted :)






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