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#1 Chav

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:34 PM

Hey Guys.

 

So this came up during this evenings game, we were playing Local Politics (shadow of nerekhall) with a Tinashi the wanderer. If she starts on the top of the gatehouse she can use her feat to get to the other side of the gate, open both the gate and portcullis, and with 1 fatique and her move action, she can get to the bridge, along with the rest of the group, and thus win in turn 1. 

 

We houseruled she could not, as this totally ruined the game for everyone, which lead to a very close and epic encounter, but can it really be true this is possible?

 

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#2 Carbini

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 04:49 PM

I don't have the booklet in front of me but the best answer I can give you is that you can't count spaces through doors or walls. You CAN count through portcullises I believe (portculli?:)).

 

I remember I tried to jump Tomble through a few doors before I realized this was a rule. I remember reading that quest but I haven't played it yet. If no one has answered the question I'll take a look at the quest book when I get home and have a better answer.



#3 Zaltyre

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 05:00 PM

I don't have the booklet in front of me but the best answer I can give you is that you can't count spaces through doors or walls. You CAN count through portcullises I believe (portculli? :)).

 

I remember I tried to jump Tomble through a few doors before I realized this was a rule. I remember reading that quest but I haven't played it yet. If no one has answered the question I'll take a look at the quest book when I get home and have a better answer.

This is correct. Tinashi's ability lets you place the figure anywhere within range if you can count the spaces, and spaces can be counted through a portcullis. Therefore, Tinashi can use her heroic feat to move to the other side of a portcullis (just like Tomble.) However, in order to move into the gatehouse, she would have to place her figure on the other side of a door, which is not allowed since you cannot count spaces through closed doors. 



#4 Chav

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:35 AM

Thanks alot guys, one follow up question, where can i find this the rules? I was spending alot of time searching for something yesterday. Also, can you then jump through "impossible" terrain, the one with red borders? I assume yes based on what you write. 



#5 any2cards

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 05:01 AM

Thanks alot guys, one follow up question, where can i find this the rules? I was spending alot of time searching for something yesterday. Also, can you then jump through "impossible" terrain, the one with red borders? I assume yes based on what you write. 

 

Base Game Rules, Page 13:

 

Counting Spaces
 
Some abilities require players to count the spaces from a figure to the
target of the ability. When counting spaces for attacks and abilities,
players ignore any non-obstacle terrain in those spaces (see “Terrain” on
page 18). The player just needs to verify that his target is in range for
the ability to reach the target. If an ability affects figures within a specified
number of spaces, line of sight is not needed unless specifically noted.
However, when counting spaces for an ability, players cannot count spaces
through a door because the spaces are not considered adjacent.

 

FAQ, Page 2:

 

Q: When counting spaces for skills and abilities, such as the Thief skill
“Greedy,” do other figures block the path? How about doors?
 
A: When counting spaces like this, players ignore all other figures on the
path. Unless line of sight is specifically stated as a requirement, figures
only need to be in range for these skills or abilities to work. However,
doors do block this path. A Thief cannot use “Greedy” through a door
because he cannot count spaces through the door.

Edited by any2cards, 31 July 2014 - 05:04 AM.


#6 Zaltyre

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 06:49 AM

I think it's important to note that the paragraph in the rules says that non-obstacle terrain is ignored when counting spaces. That is, obstacle terrain is not ignored- you cannot count spaces through obstacles.



#7 Steve-O

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 06:53 AM

Any2 has quoted the relevant sections.  Basically what you need to be aware of is that any effect which does something "within X spaces" of a given board position means you're "counting spaces" to determine what's "within X."  The rules for which are on page 13.

 

So the spaces must each be adjacent to the next and you cannot count through obstacle spaces ("impossible" terrain, as you called it.)  Line of Sight is not required unless the ability says it is.  That's about it.

 

So no, you cannot count through an obstacle, but can count around it (including diagonally.)  A single obstacle space usually won't cause too much trouble because of this.  You also can't count through closed doors, as discussed, because a closed door breaks adjacency between spaces on either side.

 

You also "count spaces" when determining range for an attack.  Note that the rules for "performing an attack" say you need LoS, so any ability that lets you "perform an attack" (potentially with extra benefits) will require LoS because of that.






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