Jump to content



Photo

New Player question - Explain the TIE Advanced to me?


  • Please log in to reply
58 replies to this topic

#1 JasonRed3

JasonRed3

    Member

  • Members
  • 60 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:37 PM

Is this ship sub-par?  Why?

 

Will anything be done to make the ship more appealing?

 

J


X-Wing forces:  

Light Side:​

Spoiler

Dark Side:​

Spoiler

LotR LCG Player, Blood Bowl Team Manager Fan


#2 Slugrage

Slugrage

    Member

  • Members
  • 840 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:39 PM

1) Yes.

2) Because.

3) Answer unclear. Ask again later.


  • Joe Boss Red Seven, quasistellar, ObiWonka and 1 other like this

Core: 3 sets

Rebel: 1 X, 3 Y, 3 A, 2 B, 2 H, 2 YT-1300, 2 E, 4 Z, 1 CR-90, 1 GR-75, 2 Reb Aces, 1 YT-2400

Imperial: 2 T, 3 T/Ad, 4 T/Int, 2 T/Bmb, 2 T/Df, 2T/Ph, 2 Shuttle, 2 Firespray, 2 Imp Aces, 1 VT-49


#3 InvestFDC

InvestFDC

    Member

  • Members
  • 233 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:43 PM

All other ships can fill the needed (whatever that may be) role better than the Advanced and the cost in points is too high. I think if you try to "fix" the Advanced then it starts encroaching on the turfs of other ships and they all start to look homogeneous.



#4 Spaceman91

Spaceman91

    Member

  • Members
  • 536 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:44 PM

Is this ship sub-par? Why?

Will anything be done to make the ship more appealing?

J

Brace yourself nerd rage will appear.

I like the Tie/A. Its cool. People dislike it as they feel its overpriced, I'm not saying they're wrong but it doesn't take away from how good the Advanced can be. Vader is the only pilot who gets used ( its Vader for god sake ).

That's why basically, overpriced and only one pilot ever used.

Don't let people put you off though. You can still enjoy the advanced just keep in mind it has only two attack dice.

Edited by Spaceman91, 23 July 2014 - 02:45 PM.

  • Torresse likes this
I didn't mean for it to get this bad.

#5 Audio Weasel

Audio Weasel

    Member

  • Members
  • 809 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:44 PM

It's not sub-par, per se, but costs a little too much points-wise for what it is.  As for anything being done, rumors abound.  Gencon is coming up soon, so if anything's in the works for it, that would be the logical place for FFG to mention it.


Current Fleet:

Rebel: 4 A-Wings, 4 B-Wings, 2 HWK-290's, 3 YT-1300s, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wing, 1 Tantive IV, 1 Rebel Transport, 4 E-Wing, 7 Z-95, 2 Rebel Aces, 2 YT-2400

Imperial:  3 Lambda Shuttles,  2 Firespray-31's, 3 Tie Advanced, 4 Tie Bombers, 6 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Interceptors,   2 Imperials Aces, 4 TIE Phantom, 4 TIE Defender, 2 Decimator

On Pre-order: 2 IG-2000, 4 Starviper, 4 Scik Interceptor, 2 Most Wanted


#6 Rekkon

Rekkon

    Member

  • Members
  • 189 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:44 PM

1) Yes.

2) It is overpriced.

3) All answers speculation.  No one who can answer with any certainty would be allowed to do so.


  • Vorpal Sword likes this

#7 Ghaerdon

Ghaerdon

    Member

  • Members
  • 215 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:45 PM

Tie Advanced: FFG's big error

Rebels: 4 X Wings; 3 B Wings; 2 A Wings; 2 Y Wings; 2 E Wing; 5 z95; 1 YT-1300; 1 YT-2400; 2 HWK-290; GR-75; Tantive
Empire: 7 Tie Fighters; 3 Tie Interceptors; 2 Tie Bombers; 1 Tie Advanced; 2 Firespray-31; 2 Lambda Shuttles; 2 Tie Defender; 2 Tie Phantom; Decimator
Scum: (will be getting ... 1 Most Wanted; 2 StarViper; 1 IG-2000; 2 M3-A)


#8 JasonRed3

JasonRed3

    Member

  • Members
  • 60 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:46 PM

Ok, fair enough.  I was (un)fortunate enough to end up with 3 of these after a trade, so I'm trying to decide how many to keep... it looks like one for nostalgia.  :)


X-Wing forces:  

Light Side:​

Spoiler

Dark Side:​

Spoiler

LotR LCG Player, Blood Bowl Team Manager Fan


#9 Sergovan

Sergovan

    Fly Casual

  • Members
  • 1,499 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:48 PM

Ok, fair enough.  I was (un)fortunate enough to end up with 3 of these after a trade, so I'm trying to decide how many to keep... it looks like one for nostalgia.   :)

I would give it a month and see what Gencon releases news wise. Many people have only 2 advanced ties in their collections so having one extra won't hurt.


  • Slugrage likes this

Rebels: 5 X-Wing, 4 Y-Wing, 6 A-Wing, 2 YT-1300, 5 B-wing, 3 HWK-290, 3 Z-95, 1 E-wing, 1 GR 75

Empire: 6 Tie Fighters, 6 Tie Interceptors (1- 181st, 1- RG), 2 Tie Advanced, 2 Firesprays, 4 Tie Bombers,

2 Lambda, 2 Tie Phantom, 2 Defender

Tournament results: (S)11/11; (S)3/11;(AoIA)2/3; [R]12/28; (S) 9/10; (S) 3/6;         


#10 AtomicFryingPan

AtomicFryingPan

    Member

  • Members
  • 574 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:49 PM

Other ships do it's job better cheaper. It doesn't really fill any void or have a role it excels in. It's unique pilots have 2 of the best in the game and if they were on any other ship except a tie would be INSANE! Mareek could really ruin someones day if he could roll more than 2 sometimes 3 dice consistently and a free PTL with no stress is always great!


  • admiralcrunch and Ghaerdon like this

Rebel Fleet- 6 X-wings, 4 A-wings, 4 Y-wings, 3 B-Wings, 3 HWK-290, 1YT-1300, 3 E-wings, 3 Z95, 1 Transport, 1 Corvette.

Empire Fleet- 8 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Adv, 4 Tie Int, 2 Tie Bombers, 2 Firespray, 1 Lambda Shuttle, 2 Defenders, 2 Phantoms


#11 Torresse

Torresse

    Member

  • Members
  • 388 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:49 PM

Tie Advanced: FFG's big error

compare a rookie to the temptest sq. same hull/shields, the only difference is a tie advanced is much more likely to survive an encounter with an xwing then another xwing


This is one of the main reasons Xwing is awesome! http://community.fan...ake-long/page-4


#12 JasonRed3

JasonRed3

    Member

  • Members
  • 60 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:52 PM

They look cool.  :)


  • Slugrage and Ghaerdon like this

X-Wing forces:  

Light Side:​

Spoiler

Dark Side:​

Spoiler

LotR LCG Player, Blood Bowl Team Manager Fan


#13 Audio Weasel

Audio Weasel

    Member

  • Members
  • 809 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 02:54 PM

Ok, fair enough.  I was (un)fortunate enough to end up with 3 of these after a trade, so I'm trying to decide how many to keep... it looks like one for nostalgia.   :)

I've got 3 myself.  I'd hang on to them for a bit.  If you're looking for definite items that will increase their usefulness, the Proton Rockets that are coming in Rebel Aces are DEFINITELY going to be useful on them.  Also, if you plan on playing Epic, Maarek works very well in that setting.


Edited by Audio Weasel, 23 July 2014 - 02:54 PM.

Current Fleet:

Rebel: 4 A-Wings, 4 B-Wings, 2 HWK-290's, 3 YT-1300s, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wing, 1 Tantive IV, 1 Rebel Transport, 4 E-Wing, 7 Z-95, 2 Rebel Aces, 2 YT-2400

Imperial:  3 Lambda Shuttles,  2 Firespray-31's, 3 Tie Advanced, 4 Tie Bombers, 6 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Interceptors,   2 Imperials Aces, 4 TIE Phantom, 4 TIE Defender, 2 Decimator

On Pre-order: 2 IG-2000, 4 Starviper, 4 Scik Interceptor, 2 Most Wanted


#14 MajorJuggler

MajorJuggler

    MathWinger

  • Members
  • 3,091 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 03:01 PM

  1. Attack dice are better than defense dice. Attack dice have 3 hits + crit. Evade dice have 3 evades.
  2. TIE Advanced costs the same as the Rookie X-wing, but they swap attack and defense dice.
  3. Because of 1 and 2, it costs more than it should compared to other ships. Lots of math involved, but it's about 4 points overcosted using the 12 point Academy TIE Fighter as a baseline.
  4. Vader's pilot ability is one of the best in the game.
  5. I have house rules for making them balanced, but can only hope FFG fixes them like they are doing with A-wings.
  6. I own 4.  :D

  • Slugrage likes this

#15 WonderWAAAGH

WonderWAAAGH

    Oasean Ork

  • Members
  • 3,475 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 03:11 PM

Tie Advanced: FFG's big error


Strange, I remember somebody saying the Phantom was FFG's big error.
  • Bathickey likes this
It's not easy being green.

#16 Ghaerdon

Ghaerdon

    Member

  • Members
  • 215 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 03:17 PM

Tie Advanced: FFG's big error


Strange, I remember somebody saying the Phantom was FFG's big error.

Wasn't me

Rebels: 4 X Wings; 3 B Wings; 2 A Wings; 2 Y Wings; 2 E Wing; 5 z95; 1 YT-1300; 1 YT-2400; 2 HWK-290; GR-75; Tantive
Empire: 7 Tie Fighters; 3 Tie Interceptors; 2 Tie Bombers; 1 Tie Advanced; 2 Firespray-31; 2 Lambda Shuttles; 2 Tie Defender; 2 Tie Phantom; Decimator
Scum: (will be getting ... 1 Most Wanted; 2 StarViper; 1 IG-2000; 2 M3-A)


#17 WonderWAAAGH

WonderWAAAGH

    Oasean Ork

  • Members
  • 3,475 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 03:18 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that it was.


Edited by WonderWAAAGH, 23 July 2014 - 03:18 PM.

  • Wingfist likes this
It's not easy being green.

#18 Gullwind

Gullwind

    Member

  • Members
  • 632 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 03:25 PM

Tie Advanced: FFG's big error

Actually, I'd say they nailed it. Its exactly like it is in the SW universe.


  • Mikael Hasselstein, quasistellar, Punning Pundit and 1 other like this

#19 Knucklesamwich

Knucklesamwich

    Member

  • Members
  • 365 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 03:25 PM

It's a very good defensive ship in an offensive game. I play them a lot Because I play a lot of non-competetive games. Now that we have opportunist/predator/outmaneuver I think both named Advanced pilots are very good, just too hard to fit into a competetive squad.

#20 KineticOperator

KineticOperator

    Member

  • Members
  • 860 posts

Posted 23 July 2014 - 03:26 PM

 

 

Tie Advanced: FFG's big error


Strange, I remember somebody saying the Phantom was FFG's big error.

 

 

It wasn't me, but I can fix that.  The Phantom is FFG's big error.  It does more to restrict the viable competitive list choices than all other considerations combined.


Edited by KineticOperator, 23 July 2014 - 03:26 PM.

  • madquest8 and Futant420 like this




© 2013 Fantasy Flight Publishing, Inc. Fantasy Flight Games and the FFG logo are ® of Fantasy Flight Publishing, Inc.  All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Contact | User Support | Rules Questions | Help | RSS