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#1 Fnords

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 12:12 PM

Been playing around with the Phantom ships for a few weeks now and really love them. Trying to find a good dual Phantom list. Here's some different lists I have come up with. 

 

What do you guys think, pros and cons on the different lists.

 

LIST 01
 
"Echo"
Veteran Instincts
Advanced Cloaking Device
 
Shadow Squadron Pilot
Stygium Particle Accelerator
 
Academy Pilot
 
Academy Pilot
 
Academy Pilot
 
Total: 100
 

 

 


LIST 02
 
"Echo"
Veteran Instincts
Advanced Cloaking Device
 
Shadow Squadron Pilot
Stygium Particle Accelerator
 
Alpha Squadron Pilot
 
Alpha Squadron Pilot
 
Total: 100

 

 

LIST 03
 
"Echo"
Veteran Instincts
Advanced Cloaking Device
 
Shadow Squadron Pilot
Stygium Particle Accelerator
 
Bounty Hunter
Recon Specialist
 
Total: 100

 

 

LIST 04
 
"Echo"
Veteran Instincts
Advanced Cloaking Device
 
Shadow Squadron Pilot
Stygium Particle Accelerator
 
Omicron Group Pilot
Darth Vader
 
Academy Pilot
 
Total: 100

 

 


#2 Audio Weasel

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 01:52 PM

List 3 looks a lot like one I've been considering playing:

 

Shadow + SPA + Adv Sens x2

BH + RC.

 

ADv Sens lets you cloak and then immediately decloak.  Hoping to fly them like uber-interceptors for arc dodging.  I haven't had a chance to play the Phantoms yet, though, so my ideas are all theorycraft, unfortunately.


Current Fleet:

Rebel: 4 A-Wings, 4 B-Wings, 2 HWK-290's, 3 YT-1300s, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wing, 1 Tantive IV, 1 Rebel Transport, 4 E-Wing, 7 Z-95, 2 Rebel Aces, 2 YT-2400

Imperial:  3 Lambda Shuttles,  2 Firespray-31's, 3 Tie Advanced, 4 Tie Bombers, 6 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Interceptors,   2 Imperials Aces, 4 TIE Phantom, 4 TIE Defender, 2 Decimator

On Pre-order: 2 4 IG-2000, 4 Starviper, 4 Scik Interceptor, 2 Most Wanted


#3 tiefanatic

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:19 PM

All of those lists are viable, but i would use this one:

 

Echo

Veteran Instincts

Advanced Cloaking Device

​Intelligence Agent

 

Whisper

Veteran Instincts

Advanced Cloaking Device

Recon Specialist

 

Omicron Group Pilot

Advanced Sensors

 

Total:100 

 

 

 

What you have to do with this list, is run each ship separately and you have 3 viable targets. The Lambda is there because it adds a lot of hitpoints as well drawing attention away from the phantoms, and with AS it annoys your opponent to no end. Recon Specialsit with Whisper is really good because that means he automatically gets a focus for defense when he focuses and if you do damage he gets another. 


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#4 Fnords

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:19 PM

List 3 looks a lot like one I've been considering playing:
 
Shadow + SPA + Adv Sens x2
BH + RC.
 
ADv Sens lets you cloak and then immediately decloak.  Hoping to fly them like uber-interceptors for arc dodging.  I haven't had a chance to play the Phantoms yet, though, so my ideas are all theorycraft, unfortunately.


Sounds like a fun list, looked at that idea to. The thing is that Echo is just so much better and so much more fun to fly that I just have it in my list

Looking at your list you have the same options after selecting your 2 phantoms. Any reason why you went with BH instead of for example a bunch of TIEs?

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:20 PM

List 5:

 

Sigma + Recon + Stygian

Sigma + Recon + Stygian

Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics

Mauler + Swarm Tactics

 

I love this list :)

 

To stay on topic I will vote for list 1.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:22 PM

 

List 3 looks a lot like one I've been considering playing:
 
Shadow + SPA + Adv Sens x2
BH + RC.
 
ADv Sens lets you cloak and then immediately decloak.  Hoping to fly them like uber-interceptors for arc dodging.  I haven't had a chance to play the Phantoms yet, though, so my ideas are all theorycraft, unfortunately.


Sounds like a fun list, looked at that idea to. The thing is that Echo is just so much better and so much more fun to fly that I just have it in my list

Looking at your list you have the same options after selecting your 2 phantoms. Any reason why you went with BH instead of for example a bunch of TIEs?

 

 

Honestly, since I haven't had a chance to fly the Phantom yet, I figured I'd start with a regular one before messing with Echo.  As to the inclusion of the BH....  my love for the Firespray knows no bounds.


Current Fleet:

Rebel: 4 A-Wings, 4 B-Wings, 2 HWK-290's, 3 YT-1300s, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wing, 1 Tantive IV, 1 Rebel Transport, 4 E-Wing, 7 Z-95, 2 Rebel Aces, 2 YT-2400

Imperial:  3 Lambda Shuttles,  2 Firespray-31's, 3 Tie Advanced, 4 Tie Bombers, 6 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Interceptors,   2 Imperials Aces, 4 TIE Phantom, 4 TIE Defender, 2 Decimator

On Pre-order: 2 4 IG-2000, 4 Starviper, 4 Scik Interceptor, 2 Most Wanted


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:30 PM

List 5:
 
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics
Mauler + Swarm Tactics
 
I love this list :)
 
To stay on topic I will vote for list 1.


Nice list there. Looks like fun to play.

Yeah think I like 3xAP or BH the most as well. So hard to decide between staying power or more small agile targets

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:32 PM

List 3 looks a lot like one I've been considering playing:
 
Shadow + SPA + Adv Sens x2
BH + RC.
 
ADv Sens lets you cloak and then immediately decloak.  Hoping to fly them like uber-interceptors for arc dodging.  I haven't had a chance to play the Phantoms yet, though, so my ideas are all theorycraft, unfortunately.


Sounds like a fun list, looked at that idea to. The thing is that Echo is just so much better and so much more fun to fly that I just have it in my list
Looking at your list you have the same options after selecting your 2 phantoms. Any reason why you went with BH instead of for example a bunch of TIEs?
 
Honestly, since I haven't had a chance to fly the Phantom yet, I figured I'd start with a regular one before messing with Echo.  As to the inclusion of the BH....  my love for the Firespray knows no bounds.

I hear you the BH has won me do many games. But smaller ships are usually more fun to fly around.

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:45 PM

 

List 5:
 
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics
Mauler + Swarm Tactics
 
I love this list :)
 
To stay on topic I will vote for list 1.


Nice list there. Looks like fun to play.

Yeah think I like 3xAP or BH the most as well. So hard to decide between staying power or more small agile targets

 

 

What I like about my list is that it can survive the opening volley from higher PS ships to destroy the lower PS ships that have not fired yet leaving behind the one or two higher PS ships. Then it is mop up. Or if all the opponents ships are lower PS then it is just a matter of picking and destroying the optimum targets, maybe a Biggs as required or those low PS missile boats.

 

12 dice at range 2 or 3 with two focus, an evade and a Howlrunner reroll is nothing to ignore. Imagine getting the Sigmas and Mauler within range 1....



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:55 PM

List 5:
 
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics
Mauler + Swarm Tactics
 
I love this list :)
 
To stay on topic I will vote for list 1.


Nice list there. Looks like fun to play.
Yeah think I like 3xAP or BH the most as well. So hard to decide between staying power or more small agile targets
 
What I like about my list is that it can survive the opening volley from higher PS ships to destroy the lower PS ships that have not fired yet leaving behind the one or two higher PS ships. Then it is mop up. Or if all the opponents ships are lower PS then it is just a matter of picking and destroying the optimum targets, maybe a Biggs as required or those low PS missile boats.
 
12 dice at range 2 or 3 with two focus, an evade and a Howlrunner reroll is nothing to ignore. Imagine getting the Sigmas and Mauler within range 1....

You could remove one Recon Specialist and add ACD to both phantoms. They would have a high enough PS to take advantage of the free cloak

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:58 PM

 

 

 

List 3 looks a lot like one I've been considering playing:
 
Shadow + SPA + Adv Sens x2
BH + RC.
 
ADv Sens lets you cloak and then immediately decloak.  Hoping to fly them like uber-interceptors for arc dodging.  I haven't had a chance to play the Phantoms yet, though, so my ideas are all theorycraft, unfortunately.


Sounds like a fun list, looked at that idea to. The thing is that Echo is just so much better and so much more fun to fly that I just have it in my list
Looking at your list you have the same options after selecting your 2 phantoms. Any reason why you went with BH instead of for example a bunch of TIEs?
 
Honestly, since I haven't had a chance to fly the Phantom yet, I figured I'd start with a regular one before messing with Echo.  As to the inclusion of the BH....  my love for the Firespray knows no bounds.

I hear you the BH has won me do many games. But smaller ships are usually more fun to fly around.

 

That's what the Phantoms are for :D

 

Pre-wave 4, my go to list has been Krassis + HLC + RS and a pair of named interceptors.  Best of both worlds


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Current Fleet:

Rebel: 4 A-Wings, 4 B-Wings, 2 HWK-290's, 3 YT-1300s, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wing, 1 Tantive IV, 1 Rebel Transport, 4 E-Wing, 7 Z-95, 2 Rebel Aces, 2 YT-2400

Imperial:  3 Lambda Shuttles,  2 Firespray-31's, 3 Tie Advanced, 4 Tie Bombers, 6 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Interceptors,   2 Imperials Aces, 4 TIE Phantom, 4 TIE Defender, 2 Decimator

On Pre-order: 2 4 IG-2000, 4 Starviper, 4 Scik Interceptor, 2 Most Wanted


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:59 PM

List 5:
 
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics
Mauler + Swarm Tactics
 
I love this list :)
 
To stay on topic I will vote for list 1.


I very much like this list! I think I will try it next time I play. Although I think maybe with advanced sensors instead of recon spec to open up the possibility of the cloak de cloak move so that they can arc dodge. Maybe.

Rebels: 6 Xwing, 3 Ywings, 2 Awings, 1 YT-1300, 1 HWK, 4 Bwings, 2 Ewings, 4 Z95s

Empire: 8 TIEs, 4 Interceptors, 2 Advanced, 2 Firesprays, 2 Bombers, 1 Shuttle, 2 Phantoms, 3 Defenders

Scum: 4 Z95, 3 Ywings, 1 HWK, 2 Firesprays

 


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 03:08 PM

 

 

 

List 3 looks a lot like one I've been considering playing:
 
Shadow + SPA + Adv Sens x2
BH + RC.
 
ADv Sens lets you cloak and then immediately decloak.  Hoping to fly them like uber-interceptors for arc dodging.  I haven't had a chance to play the Phantoms yet, though, so my ideas are all theorycraft, unfortunately.


Sounds like a fun list, looked at that idea to. The thing is that Echo is just so much better and so much more fun to fly that I just have it in my list
Looking at your list you have the same options after selecting your 2 phantoms. Any reason why you went with BH instead of for example a bunch of TIEs?
 
Honestly, since I haven't had a chance to fly the Phantom yet, I figured I'd start with a regular one before messing with Echo.  As to the inclusion of the BH....  my love for the Firespray knows no bounds.

I hear you the BH has won me do many games. But smaller ships are usually more fun to fly around.

 

Thinking about it, it also might not be a bad idea to do 2 Shadows outfitted this way, with Yorr outfitted as a buzzsaw shuttle to help pull any stress that might occur off of the Phantoms.


Current Fleet:

Rebel: 4 A-Wings, 4 B-Wings, 2 HWK-290's, 3 YT-1300s, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wing, 1 Tantive IV, 1 Rebel Transport, 4 E-Wing, 7 Z-95, 2 Rebel Aces, 2 YT-2400

Imperial:  3 Lambda Shuttles,  2 Firespray-31's, 3 Tie Advanced, 4 Tie Bombers, 6 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Interceptors,   2 Imperials Aces, 4 TIE Phantom, 4 TIE Defender, 2 Decimator

On Pre-order: 2 4 IG-2000, 4 Starviper, 4 Scik Interceptor, 2 Most Wanted


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 03:14 PM

 

 

 

List 5:
 
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics
Mauler + Swarm Tactics
 
I love this list :)
 
To stay on topic I will vote for list 1.


Nice list there. Looks like fun to play.
Yeah think I like 3xAP or BH the most as well. So hard to decide between staying power or more small agile targets
 
What I like about my list is that it can survive the opening volley from higher PS ships to destroy the lower PS ships that have not fired yet leaving behind the one or two higher PS ships. Then it is mop up. Or if all the opponents ships are lower PS then it is just a matter of picking and destroying the optimum targets, maybe a Biggs as required or those low PS missile boats.
 
12 dice at range 2 or 3 with two focus, an evade and a Howlrunner reroll is nothing to ignore. Imagine getting the Sigmas and Mauler within range 1....

You could remove one Recon Specialist and add ACD to both phantoms. They would have a high enough PS to take advantage of the free cloak

 

 

Ah, but you don't want the free cloak, this is a jousting mini-swarm so you want the free evade.

 

Round 1 - Move 2 and cloak

Round 2 - Decloak, boost 2 and move 2 or 3 - drop 12 attack dice

Round 3 - Plan mop up

 

You could fly right up to Han Shot First, brush off the damage and strip all shields and take him down to 1-4 hull in a single round. Wedge might hurt one of the Sigmas pretty bad but still not kill it, should still get a 4 die shot off with focus and HR re-roll.



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 03:19 PM

 

List 5:
 
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics
Mauler + Swarm Tactics
 
I love this list :)
 
To stay on topic I will vote for list 1.


I very much like this list! I think I will try it next time I play. Although I think maybe with advanced sensors instead of recon spec to open up the possibility of the cloak de cloak move so that they can arc dodge. Maybe.

 

 

Do not do this for a very important reason!!! This is a mini-swarm and the ships must fly together, this is not Whisper and Echo, these are Academy pilots who boarded the wrong ships on the first day of work. Mauler and Howl just didn't say anything because to requisition new ships would take to long in the glorious bureaucracy. :D

 

The four must stick together for the first 3-5 rounds. If you lose a Sigma first then you have three pilots PS8 instead of two at PS8 and two at PS7



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 04:00 PM

I 1 rounded Han on strong dice with the following list -

Whisper - VI, ACD
Echo - VI, ACD, Captive
2x Academy

He thought I was going to be more aggressive, and tried to jump past me, shock of shocks, I ended up with all 4 ships at range 1. POW!

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 04:39 PM

List 5:
 
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics
Mauler + Swarm Tactics
 
I love this list :)
 
To stay on topic I will vote for list 1.


I very much like this list! I think I will try it next time I play. Although I think maybe with advanced sensors instead of recon spec to open up the possibility of the cloak de cloak move so that they can arc dodge. Maybe.
 
Do not do this for a very important reason!!! This is a mini-swarm and the ships must fly together, this is not Whisper and Echo, these are Academy pilots who boarded the wrong ships on the first day of work. Mauler and Howl just didn't say anything because to requisition new ships would take to long in the glorious bureaucracy. :D
 
The four must stick together for the first 3-5 rounds. If you lose a Sigma first then you have three pilots PS8 instead of two at PS8 and two at PS7

See what you going for. Should work great but its just a shame not to get to use those nimble phantom moves (;

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 05:00 PM

 

 

 

List 5:
 
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Sigma + Recon + Stygian
Howlrunner + Swarm Tactics
Mauler + Swarm Tactics
 
I love this list :)
 
To stay on topic I will vote for list 1.


I very much like this list! I think I will try it next time I play. Although I think maybe with advanced sensors instead of recon spec to open up the possibility of the cloak de cloak move so that they can arc dodge. Maybe.
 
Do not do this for a very important reason!!! This is a mini-swarm and the ships must fly together, this is not Whisper and Echo, these are Academy pilots who boarded the wrong ships on the first day of work. Mauler and Howl just didn't say anything because to requisition new ships would take to long in the glorious bureaucracy. :D
 
The four must stick together for the first 3-5 rounds. If you lose a Sigma first then you have three pilots PS8 instead of two at PS8 and two at PS7

See what you going for. Should work great but its just a shame not to get to use those nimble phantom moves (;

 

 

That is what Whisper and Echo are for, the Sigmas are hired goons who do what hired goons are supposed to do. Trust me, once you go into mop up mode then there will be plenty of opportunity for nimble phantom moves. They are talking about a tanked up Chewbacca with C-3PO in another thread, this squad can go toe-to-toe.






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