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#41 Babaganoosh

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:51 AM

 

 

I don't know, it might be better than the original laser setup.  It always looked to me like the laser cannons on the wingtips of the original x-wing were tacked on as an afterthought.  They don't look solidly attached to the wings at all.

 
Yeah, I think that about the original, and the blocky shape of the wings looks a bit rushed too, but still.  Well, we'll see.
 

Am I the only person that won't mind locked s-foils? A smaller target is a harder target to hit.

 
But then your lasers would overheat, or some such nonsense.  I'm not exactly sure how they dissipate heat in a vacuum anyway, but apparently being far apart helps.

This doesn't appear the be the case with TIEs. Their lasers (specifically, chin lasers) are what, a foot apart?

 

 

Let's be careful about how much science and logic we try to apply to movie props from the 70s, everyone.  Aesthetics is one thing.... realism and practicality within the realm of actual physics is another thing entirely.  Discussions of the realism of star wars technology dead-ends pretty quickly I think.


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#42 RogueLieutenant

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:51 AM

Am I the only person that won't mind locked s-foils? A smaller target is a harder target to hit.

I thought I always heard that opening your S-Foils primarily functioned to spread your shields out more around your ship. 

 

Look at the Arc fighter from the clone wars. It's s-foils don't have guns but they still open up. 


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:52 AM

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What about the difference between this 1940s jet and the 1970s one?


That E-wing looks weird.
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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:52 AM

 

But then your lasers would overheat, or some such nonsense.  I'm not exactly sure how they dissipate heat in a vacuum anyway, but apparently being far apart helps.

 

 

They radiate heat using the same forces that distribute sound in space. :)


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:57 AM

I accept all answers about overheating and s-foils, on the grounds that the only real idea for the x-wing was "make it as badass as possible"

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:00 AM

 

I'm kinda dissapointed. Yes they are obviously referencing McQuire's work...but it still looks way too similar to the current design. This movie is 30-35 years after ROTJ, it should be new ships, or if they want newer versions of an existing ship, don't make them so similar.

A casual fan would probably think they are the exact same ship.

First, I love the new look. 30-35 years in design doesn't look very different. Can you pick the aircraft that is from the 70's and the jet from 2010? There's 40 years between them.

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OK, I know the first one is an F-15 Eagle. But what's the second one? I can't figure it out.



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:03 AM

To be fair though, the plane analogy between two later planes makes more sense than the earlier ones, since ships in StarWars are a very established technology.  Compare a horse drawn cart from the 1820s to one from the 1710s, that might be a better one.

 

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:05 AM

I really like the looks of those engines, they really look like they'd suck stuff in and smash it into subatomic particles :)



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:13 AM

So at least we know what will be in the new core set FFG will release next year....lol



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:13 AM

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What about the difference between this 1940s jet and the 1970s one?

 

But that's the first jet fighter ever. Its a little bit of a different scenario. Its not like the OT X-wing is the first starfighter. New technology tends to improve at a rapid rate then kind of slows or plateaus.

 

We are still using airframes in the military that are well over 30 years old (B-52, U-2, A-10, etc.). While they have been greatly upgraded the basic design remains the same. Its the old addage "if it ain't broke don't fix it."


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:22 AM

 

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What about the difference between this 1940s jet and the 1970s one?

 

But that's the first jet fighter ever. Its a little bit of a different scenario. Its not like the OT X-wing is the first starfighter. New technology tends to improve at a rapid rate then kind of slows or plateaus.

 

We are still using airframes in the military that are well over 30 years old (B-52, U-2, A-10, etc.). While they have been greatly upgraded the basic design remains the same. Its the old addage "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

 

 Oh you totally don;t get the point. The point is that they DO look similar. If I wanted to show how much technology can change I could have chosen the Gloucester Meteor or the de havilland Vampire.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:27 AM

 

I've made a wee image showing where it looks like the s-foils split apart, also the work-in-progress image somebody posted above gives a good impression of it.

 

new_xwing.png

 

It looks nice all folder up like that, but I'm not sure about the curly bits at the end where the guns are mounted, might look a bit flamboyant with the s-foils in attack position.

 

I don't know, it might be better than the original laser setup.  It always looked to me like the laser cannons on the wingtips of the original x-wing were tacked on as an afterthought.  They don't look solidly attached to the wings at all.  

 

I`m beginning to wonder if the wing splits on the outside of the engine rather than at the root of the wing, Their seams no room for the wing to move at the fuselage,



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:54 AM

Looks to me like the main wing (front bit will stay where it is, and the back section will drop down.

 

I like it, but I think it's odd, if you want an old looking ship like an x-wing why change the x-wing design?

 

Edit: Actually my bad, it looks exactly like the concept art, posted earlier. there's a front/back divide in the wings on that too.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:59 AM

 

 

I've made a wee image showing where it looks like the s-foils split apart, also the work-in-progress image somebody posted above gives a good impression of it.

 

new_xwing.png

 

It looks nice all folder up like that, but I'm not sure about the curly bits at the end where the guns are mounted, might look a bit flamboyant with the s-foils in attack position.

 

I don't know, it might be better than the original laser setup.  It always looked to me like the laser cannons on the wingtips of the original x-wing were tacked on as an afterthought.  They don't look solidly attached to the wings at all.  

 

I`m beginning to wonder if the wing splits on the outside of the engine rather than at the root of the wing, Their seams no room for the wing to move at the fuselage,

 

Good call, the wings might rotate up and down the along the cylinder of the engine. That could look cool!

 

Edit, upon further inspection it appears the engine will split. There is a definite seam and, most importantly, there are two engine exhausts on each side.


Edited by Skargoth, 21 July 2014 - 10:02 AM.

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:00 AM

Why does the XWing need to be changed?

I liked how it was in the original.

JJ always makes changes. Not always good ones.

The nose cap piece is basically non existent and he is making it look more like a earth fighter jet than something from the Star Wars universe. And no astro mech?

Give me episode 4
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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:01 AM

 

 

I'm kinda dissapointed. Yes they are obviously referencing McQuire's work...but it still looks way too similar to the current design. This movie is 30-35 years after ROTJ, it should be new ships, or if they want newer versions of an existing ship, don't make them so similar.

A casual fan would probably think they are the exact same ship.

First, I love the new look. 30-35 years in design doesn't look very different. Can you pick the aircraft that is from the 70's and the jet from 2010? There's 40 years between them.

[snip]

 

OK, I know the first one is an F-15 Eagle. But what's the second one? I can't figure it out.

 

 

That's an F-16 variant. I think it was an F-16E? I don't know- but I remember that much.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:02 AM

I like it, but I think it's odd, if you want an old looking ship like an x-wing why change the x-wing design?

 

 

This might be a 15-year-old X-Wing, which would be at least 15 years newer than the ones in the original trilogy.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:03 AM

And no astro mech?
 

 

Maybe it just isn't loaded.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:05 AM

 

I like it, but I think it's odd, if you want an old looking ship like an x-wing why change the x-wing design?

 

 

This might be a 15-year-old X-Wing, which would be at least 15 years newer than the ones in the original trilogy.

 

 

That would explain why it's so poorly maintained looking. :P

 

 

 

And no astro mech?
 

 

Maybe it just isn't loaded.

 

I suspect an armored canopy has been implemented.


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#60 Duke of Advil

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:07 AM

Why does the XWing need to be changed?
I liked how it was in the original.
JJ always makes changes. Not always good ones.
The nose cap piece is basically non existent and he is making it look more like a earth fighter jet than something from the Star Wars universe. And no astro mech?
Give me episode 4

actually this is the design that was given to Lucas. So that would make it the original design....just saying
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