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#1 Bohrdumb

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:35 PM

Can I use Expose if my Agility is already 0?

 

Say on the Decimator? 


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#2 Jo Jo

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:44 PM

Yes. 


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#3 frostrunner

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:45 PM

yeah i dont see why not



#4 UnfairBanana

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:55 PM

Yeah, but why would you ever use Expose?


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Rebels: 3 A-wings, 3 B-wings, 2 E-wing, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y- Wings, 2 Z-95s, 1 HWK-290, 1 YT-1300, 1 YT-2400, 1 GR-75 Space whale, 1 CR-90 Corvette

 

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#5 frostrunner

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:57 PM

free extra attack with no disadvantage?



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:58 PM

wow expose and darth vader on decimator....


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#7 Vargas79

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 02:00 PM

Doesn't it cost your action? I'd rather target lock and/or focus.
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#8 Bohrdumb

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 02:02 PM

Yeah, but why would you ever use Expose?

 

Well to the Decimator specifically, it gives me 4 atk dice at no cost to my Agility. As I'm a turretted ship and shooting early, things like Opportunist are harder to trigger, as is Outmaneuver. 

 

The idea is to run it with Gunner, so I'm likely to throw 2 hits the first time, and if they use a token, I get 4 reds against a defenseless ship on the second attack. And of course I'd have Vader in as well, just because. 


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 02:02 PM

Doesn't it cost your action? I'd rather target lock and/or focus.

True, but if another ship had fleet officer and could pass you a focus.....


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Rebel: 4 A-Wings, 4 B-Wings, 2 HWK-290's, 3 YT-1300s, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wing, 1 Tantive IV, 1 Rebel Transport, 4 E-Wing, 7 Z-95, 2 Rebel Aces, 2 YT-2400

Imperial:  3 Lambda Shuttles,  2 Firespray-31's, 3 Tie Advanced, 4 Tie Bombers, 6 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Interceptors,   2 Imperials Aces, 4 TIE Phantom, 4 TIE Defender, 2 Decimator

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 02:07 PM

Chiranaeu has a mini focus built in anyway, at rng 1-2. 


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6 TIE, 2 TIE B. 2 Ints, 1 Adv, 1 Defender, 2 Phantoms, 1 Shuttle, 1 Firespray, Imp Aces


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 02:10 PM

I still think that there are too many quality passive abilities, predator, possibly being the best, that are almost always going to provide better value.

Edited by Vargas79, 20 July 2014 - 02:10 PM.


#12 UnfairBanana

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:12 PM

Taking Expose over Focus or TL is mathematically a bad idea.


Rebels: 3 A-wings, 3 B-wings, 2 E-wing, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y- Wings, 2 Z-95s, 1 HWK-290, 1 YT-1300, 1 YT-2400, 1 GR-75 Space whale, 1 CR-90 Corvette

 

Empire: 6 TIE/LN, 4 TIE Interceptors, 2 TIE Bombers, 1 TIE Advanced, 2 TIE Defender, 2 TIE Phantom, 2 Firesprays, 1 Lambda, 1 VT-49


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:29 PM

I still think that there are too many quality passive abilities, predator, possibly being the best, that are almost always going to provide better value.

Ok, you said that and now I want to fly A-Wings with Expose and Predator.  I wonder how that would stack up mathematically


Edited by Audio Weasel, 20 July 2014 - 03:30 PM.

Current Fleet:

Rebel: 4 A-Wings, 4 B-Wings, 2 HWK-290's, 3 YT-1300s, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wing, 1 Tantive IV, 1 Rebel Transport, 4 E-Wing, 7 Z-95, 2 Rebel Aces, 2 YT-2400

Imperial:  3 Lambda Shuttles,  2 Firespray-31's, 3 Tie Advanced, 4 Tie Bombers, 6 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Interceptors,   2 Imperials Aces, 4 TIE Phantom, 4 TIE Defender, 2 Decimator

On Pre-order: 2 IG-2000, 4 Starviper, 4 Scik Interceptor, 2 Most Wanted


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:52 PM

 

I still think that there are too many quality passive abilities, predator, possibly being the best, that are almost always going to provide better value.

Ok, you said that and now I want to fly A-Wings with Expose and Predator.  I wonder how that would stack up mathematically

 

Probably a bit worse than A-Wings with Opportunist and Predator  :P .

 

But, hey, you never know until you try it. We could see things like Expose and Marksmanship shining a bit if you can also PtL or Predatorize.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:58 PM

 

 

I still think that there are too many quality passive abilities, predator, possibly being the best, that are almost always going to provide better value.

Ok, you said that and now I want to fly A-Wings with Expose and Predator.  I wonder how that would stack up mathematically

 

Probably a bit worse than A-Wings with Opportunist and Predator  :P .

 

But, hey, you never know until you try it. We could see things like Expose and Marksmanship shining a bit if you can also PtL or Predatorize.

 

The opportunist and predator build I have actually works fairly well.  I call them the Chris Hansen All-Stars.  I was rather proud of that name lol


Current Fleet:

Rebel: 4 A-Wings, 4 B-Wings, 2 HWK-290's, 3 YT-1300s, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y-Wing, 1 Tantive IV, 1 Rebel Transport, 4 E-Wing, 7 Z-95, 2 Rebel Aces, 2 YT-2400

Imperial:  3 Lambda Shuttles,  2 Firespray-31's, 3 Tie Advanced, 4 Tie Bombers, 6 Tie Fighters, 2 Tie Interceptors,   2 Imperials Aces, 4 TIE Phantom, 4 TIE Defender, 2 Decimator

On Pre-order: 2 IG-2000, 4 Starviper, 4 Scik Interceptor, 2 Most Wanted


#16 GlassJaw

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 07:03 PM

Taking Expose over Focus or TL is mathematically a bad idea.

 

Even with Wedge?  I've run Wedge with Expose in a list with Dutch and focus battery Kyle.  No need for using your action on a TL or Focus in that list.  :P


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 07:11 PM

 

Doesn't it cost your action? I'd rather target lock and/or focus.

True, but if another ship had fleet officer and could pass you a focus.....

 

Rebels can already do this with Garven / Kyle, and people still don't pick Expose. It's for a reason. If you have an action available, and you already have a Focus token, then it's statistically better to take a Target Lock. And if you have a TL, then it's statistically better to grab a Focus. If you had access to three actions that round for some reason, Expose would be a decent third action, but still sticks you with a rather large agility penalty.



#18 UnfairBanana

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 07:18 PM

 

Taking Expose over Focus or TL is mathematically a bad idea.

 

Even with Wedge?  I've run Wedge with Expose in a list with Dutch and focus battery Kyle.  No need for using your action on a TL or Focus in that list.  :P

 

Yep. It comes down to hit chance. If you can find one of those math threads, that'll explain it better...I'd track it down, but am in the middle of swtor currently, browsing forums while my gf sits through many many conversations (ugghhh)


Rebels: 3 A-wings, 3 B-wings, 2 E-wing, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y- Wings, 2 Z-95s, 1 HWK-290, 1 YT-1300, 1 YT-2400, 1 GR-75 Space whale, 1 CR-90 Corvette

 

Empire: 6 TIE/LN, 4 TIE Interceptors, 2 TIE Bombers, 1 TIE Advanced, 2 TIE Defender, 2 TIE Phantom, 2 Firesprays, 1 Lambda, 1 VT-49


#19 Bohrdumb

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 07:29 PM

Well the whole thought was to use it on the Decimator to minimize the negative but it sounds like the downside is damage.

Admiral Chiraneau - Gunner - Vader - VI
Whisper - Gunner - Adv Stealth - PTL.

5 X, 5 B, 3 A, 2 Y, 1 Hwk, 2 Es, 3 Zs, 1 YT 1300, 1 YT 2400, Rebel Aces

6 TIE, 2 TIE B. 2 Ints, 1 Adv, 1 Defender, 2 Phantoms, 1 Shuttle, 1 Firespray, Imp Aces


#20 UnfairBanana

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 07:36 PM

Well the whole thought was to use it on the Decimator to minimize the negative but it sounds like the downside is damage.

Admiral Chiraneau - Gunner - Vader - VI
Whisper - Gunner - Adv Stealth - PTL.

A two-ship Imp build sounds pretty risky, but it's also never been done. Plus, you have one guy who's a pain to hit and another who's a friggin tank, so it could work. Hard to say. With only two ships, I would certainly recommend against Vader, though.


Rebels: 3 A-wings, 3 B-wings, 2 E-wing, 4 X-Wings, 2 Y- Wings, 2 Z-95s, 1 HWK-290, 1 YT-1300, 1 YT-2400, 1 GR-75 Space whale, 1 CR-90 Corvette

 

Empire: 6 TIE/LN, 4 TIE Interceptors, 2 TIE Bombers, 1 TIE Advanced, 2 TIE Defender, 2 TIE Phantom, 2 Firesprays, 1 Lambda, 1 VT-49





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