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#1 Gibarian

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 12:50 AM

I started wondering this after fooling around with a new themed list. Seems fun, but I don't know if the combo would ever be worth the six points you could spend on different upgrades, and Gunner doesn't have the same synergy it does with Han. But then again, people seem to like it on Chewie/Lando too, and at that point it's doing much the same thing as it would be on a B-Wing... although probably for a shorter amount of turns.

 

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#2 gundamv

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 12:56 AM

What's the B-Wing/E mod?



#3 SpikeSpiegel

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 01:01 AM

It's a mod that is going to be released in the Rebel Aces expansion that allows B-Wings to take crew.

Canon-ly, I believe it is the modified variant of the B-Wing that Admiral Ackbar used for transport.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 01:10 AM

Probably not.  Because the B-Wing tends to fight in close, it is usually within range 1-2 of it's target which reduces the likelihood that gunner will trigger.  And for one point more you can throw a Heavy Laser Cannon on them.

 

Intelligence Agent or Tactician however will be excellent, cheap upgrades to the ship coming in at two and three points respectively including the modification.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 01:28 AM

And for one point more you can throw a Heavy Laser Cannon on them.


I think this is the biggest issue. A HLC is usually better than gunner and primary weapon, so if you're willing to take an expensive b-wing you might as well just spend the single extra point to get a much better ship.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 02:03 AM

Seems like it may be fun....

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 02:32 AM

The B-wing didn't need that mod. The Y-wing did,


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 02:51 AM

It's a mod that is going to be released in the Rebel Aces expansion that allows B-Wings to take crew.
Canon-ly, I believe it is the modified variant of the B-Wing that Admiral Ackbar used for transport.


No, Ackbar's B-Wing is a FURTHER variant of the /E2. His had a widened cockpit so the passenger sat side-by-side. The regular /E2 had a dedicated gunner behind the pilot. It was to lighten the workload on the pilot and improve performance of the B-wing as a dedicated heavy assault fighter. I would really like to see Ackbar as a crew (or possibly even B-wing pilot) someday.

I'm personally having trouble figuring out how to fit in anything I like. It adds up quickly.
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Posted 09 July 2014 - 03:37 AM

It would take too many upgrade points, but Heavy Laser + Gunner would be pretty badass. Gunner alone might work very well too. Might.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:59 AM

Has it been confirmed that the /E is one point??
Pretty lame if that is the case.
Should be free like the slave 1 title, as it doesn't add anything like the falcon title does.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:10 AM

Has it been confirmed that the /E is one point??
Pretty lame if that is the case.
Should be free like the slave 1 title, as it doesn't add anything like the falcon title does.


It does add something: the ability to take a crew. If it does cost 1 point (don't remember if that was a legit spoiler or a rumor), then it's almost an exact match for R2-D6: 1 point to add a (really good) upgrade slot.

And given how effective B-wings are already, I like that the title/mod/whatever isn't free.
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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:45 AM

It would take too many upgrade points, but Heavy Laser + Gunner would be pretty badass. Gunner alone might work very well too. Might.

With 4 attack dice, I do hope you won't miss often enough to justify paying 6 more points for a gunner.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:56 AM

If the title isn't free I really don't see much reason to put crew on B-wings at all.  B-wings can already take plenty of good upgrades as it is, and I don't see many crew options that really make it worth pouring more points into an already expensive ship.

 

The B-wing half of rebel aces is quite puzzling to me in general


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:58 AM

Yeah it is one point HOWEVER it is also a modification which means no Engine Upgrade - which happens to be particularly useful to a B-Wing in some builds.   

 

 Here are some crew that I think will be particularly nice in a B-Wing:

Lando - An evade on a B-Wing would be awesome - and Evade and a Focus, or 2 Evades?   So nice!   

 

Mercenary CoPilot - If you are using HLC this is certainly an option - ESPECIALLY with Ten Numb.  

 

Han Solo - Cheap and gives you choices - pairs nicely with FCS

 

C-3PO - add some survivability to your ship.  

 

Chewbacca - same as above. 

 

Nien Numb - cheap and will help with moves or ions.  


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:06 AM

The B-wing didn't need that mod. The Y-wing did,

 

R2-D2 and Nien Nunb? Ion Cannon Turret and Tactician? No thanks. This is a game, and lots of things that sound fun would be detrimental to the balance that makes X-wing great.

 

Edit: Magadizer reminded me that Tactician is in-arc only, which is sufficiently challenging to be a non-issue.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:07 AM

Buzzsaw B-wings please.

Dagger - FCS, /E, Gunner

Seems good in a pair. No engine upgrade, but the dial is better than the Lambda and it likely wants to close in slowly.

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#17 Sideslip

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:09 AM

Yeah it is one point HOWEVER it is also a modification which means no Engine Upgrade - which happens to be particularly useful to a B-Wing in some builds.   

 

 Here are some crew that I think will be particularly nice in a B-Wing:

Lando - An evade on a B-Wing would be awesome - and Evade and a Focus, or 2 Evades?   So nice!   

 

Mercenary CoPilot - If you are using HLC this is certainly an option - ESPECIALLY with Ten Numb.  

 

Han Solo - Cheap and gives you choices - pairs nicely with FCS

 

C-3PO - add some survivability to your ship.  

 

Chewbacca - same as above. 

 

Nien Numb - cheap and will help with moves or ions.  

 

Both of the Rebel Aces crew cards, Jan Ors and Kyle Katarn, could be very good on B-wings. I guess this is why they are shipping with a B-wing repaint.


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#18 Sideslip

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:09 AM

Buzzsaw B-wings please.

Dagger - FCS, /E, Gunner

Seems good in a pair. No engine upgrade, but the dial is better than the Lambda and it likely wants to close in slowly.

This is also one point more expensive than a heavy laser cannon. Do you really think it's better?



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:11 AM

The B-wing didn't need that mod. The Y-wing did,

 
R2-D2 and Nien Nunb? Ion Cannon Turret and Tactician? No thanks. This is a game, and lots of things that sound fun would be detrimental to the balance that makes X-wing great.

I don't think ICT and Tactician on a Y-wing is as easy to pull off, since Tactician is restricted to your firing arc. But you will be able to run Blue + Ion Cannon + Tactician....
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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:16 AM

Blue, B2, intelligence agent, advanced sensors.

 

This will be the new Dagger with advanced sensors. It takes even more advantage of movement, and action choices!


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