surge occurring inside the when reveal effect isn't an issue in any way. When you see surge you draw the next card BEFORE you do when reveals. Then you go and do the when reveal and draw a 2nd card. This order dose matter in some cases.
The timing of the keywoprds and the when reveal is not an issue, the issue is how passive "always on" effects work. Thalin is not a response, or any other type of thing, it is a permanent effect that is always in play and there is at this time NOTHING in the timing rules to explain this. Thalin dose seam to make it seam that it trumps all other effects
Keyword (resolved in order)
Action (at end of staging step only, not between card reveals)
But I have another one for you... .. where do "FORCED" fit in... like Goblin Archer.
Is this just a way of writing "forced response" and taking up less room? Or is this is new effect. It relates directly to this issue of the timing windows being so sloppy.
There can be a argument made as this has no response window that it is also a kind of "always on"... so lets look at this!
Orc Hornblow Surges into Chieftain of the pit, into Goblin Archer.
So Horn Blower comes out.... this triggers surge and out comes the chieftain, then when revealed out comes the Archer.
Now his effect is forced.. NOT a response. The entire staging step we know all happens in a single go, the action phase is at the end... So all these cards are considered to be a single reveal. Remembering that this is NOT A RESPONSE, there is a argument that when this cards effect resolves that forced at the very end, but there has been 3 cards revealed this turn. So he dose 3 damage.
If it was response it would be an open and shut case, but it is forced, so the card comes into play, there is no keywords, we now resolve the forced. There has been three cards revealed .. so 3 damage.
Then ONTOP of that we have true passive always on effects like
So again.. where do these 2 effects sit in the order?
Edited by booored, 21 July 2014 - 02:51 AM.
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