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Ravens of the Mountain vs Ravenous Hawk

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#1 Jban



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 12:53 PM

Hi all,


today I played a 2 player game in The Hunt for Gollum Nightmare and we can into the next situation. I played Ravens of the Mountain and we found the Ravenous Hawk.


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I wondered what the outcome would be. I thought the following. We engage the ravenous hawk because we looked at it because of a card effect, and afterwards he returns to the top of the encounter deck because Ravens of the Mountains explicitely states that the card goes to the top of the encounter deck. Was this play correct or not?


Some explanation would be nice.


Edits: Typo's

Edited by Jban, 07 June 2014 - 12:54 PM.

#2 alogos



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 05:28 PM

There is no more explanation than that... you might want to ask Caleb if you want a definitive answer.

#3 Tarkan



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 06:03 PM

The Hawks forced effect never trigger, since the Ravens doesn't instruct you to look at cards. You only get to shuffle and reveal.

#4 ricedwlit



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:00 PM

The Errata'd version of the Ravens does state look:


Ravens of the Mountain OtD 11 Should read: “Action: Exhaust a hero you control to shuffle the encounter deck and look at its top card..." 


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Edited by ricedwlit, 07 June 2014 - 09:00 PM.

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#5 Jban



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Posted 08 June 2014 - 04:58 AM

It is because of this Errata I didn't know what the outcome would be, since I think the Ravenous Hawk's Forced effect gets triggered




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Edited by Jban, 09 June 2014 - 10:48 AM.

#6 Raven1015



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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:58 PM

This needs an official ruling, but my hunch is that the Ravenous Hawk is put into play engaged with you and stays that way. I could certainly be wrong, but generally those forced effects and strong words like "must" tend to supersede everything else. 

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#7 alogos



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 05:29 AM

I asled Caleb and this is the answer :


If you look at Ravenous Hawk with Ravens of the Mountain, you will put it into play. Then you will place progress on the quest equal to its threat strength, and then you will put Ravenous Hawk back on top of the encounter deck.

Simply resolve each line one by one.

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