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#21 Mikael Hasselstein

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 04:56 PM

KDY Corvette - Imp equivilant to Coreillian @ 180m


Is that a canon(-ish) ship from the EU, or is it one of the Holocron's homebrew ships? It's hard to tell when it doesn't list a source.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 04:57 PM

Thus far FFG has done really well bringing this game to life. Obviously the imperial huge ships is a contraversal topic and one that we are all curious about. I have no doubt that FFG will do the game justice and release something that we will all have fun with.

 

I could see the Vigil-class corvette, would be happy with that. There was another ship that prevents jumping to hyperspace, can't remember what its called though. I could see them adding that in as it could be an objective in scenarios as well.

Interdictors. They're the size of Victory-class Star Destroyers though.


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 04:57 PM

This is probably the best of recent threads to see the options for an imperial huge ship without getting bogged down by the star destroyer debate

http://community.fan...ss/?hl=imperial

 

Indeed.  There's a boatload of Epic-scale options for the Imperials, and a lot of them are covered in that particular thread with links, pictures, dimensions etc...


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 05:17 PM

 

KDY Corvette - Imp equivilant to Coreillian @ 180m


Is that a canon(-ish) ship from the EU, or is it one of the Holocron's homebrew ships? It's hard to tell when it doesn't list a source.

 

 

Er, what is conon(ish) i'm a bit slow on lingo.  KDY is abbrev.  Kuat Drive Yards, but the pic must be from something published.  


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 05:38 PM

My money's on the Vigil. FFG is smartly cross-pollinating between their licensed products, and the Vigil made the Age of Rebellion starship list. It's big enough to be a little longer (and probably a modest amount wider) than the CR-90, so it should reinforce the "we bring bigger cap ships" thing without being ludicrously expensive or deal-breakingly un-shelvable for retailers.

 

The only other thing I can see is them going the "Imperials bring stuff to epic that's so big you just shift the frame of reference for the fight to keep it 'stationary'." Stuff like Turbolaser Batteries placed along the edge of the play area to represent fighting adjacent to a Star Destroyer, or a Death Star Trench defined in mission scenarios with the defensive batteries.

 

For what it's worth, I'd love the notion Conandoodle put forward -- I'd play the hell out of Battle of Hoth scenarios with AT-ATs and Snowspeeders, or scrambling a mix of Rebel snowspeeders and X-Wings to intercept an Imperial surface bombing run with TIEs or something. You'd probably have to do some kind of rule to make the space-capable ships "faster" to open up some design space for Snowspeeders (and cloud cars!?) to live in, though.

 

The problem with that, I think, becomes that you run out of content too quickly to make it a viable format.

 

 

Edit: Oh, and XAQT78, "canon" means that something is genuinely part of the story/setting. Lucasfilms (the company that handles all Star Wars licensing) has long separated licensed works into different levels of canon, to help explain what sources trump what. Generally, anything originating from Lucas or the movies was at the top tier of that list, with RPG sourcebook material at the bottom tier, and various licensed stories falling into one or two tiers between.

 

So what Mikael was asking was whether that was a fan-created "homebrew" ship some gamemaster created for his campaign and decided to share with others, or listed in one of West End's sourcebooks for the old 80's d6 RPG.


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 05:47 PM

My money's on the Vigil. FFG is smartly cross-pollinating between their licensed products, and the Vigil made the Age of Rebellion starship list. It's big enough to be a little longer (and probably a modest amount wider) than the CR-90, so it should reinforce the "we bring bigger cap ships" thing without being ludicrously expensive or deal-breakingly un-shelvable for retailers.

 

The Vigil being 255 metres long as opposed to the CR-90's 150 metres, means that it would require new packaging along with a new movement template (to prevent it from fishtailing everywhere).  It's also going to be massive on the playing surface.  I want to see it, but it is probably in the realms of unlikely.


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 06:25 PM

Imperial Escort Carrier? I can even think of a good crew card.

 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 06:26 PM

Edit: Oh, and XAQT78, "canon" means that something is genuinely part of the story/setting. Lucasfilms (the company that handles all Star Wars licensing) has long separated licensed works into different levels of canon, to help explain what sources trump what. Generally, anything originating from Lucas or the movies was at the top tier of that list, with RPG sourcebook material at the bottom tier, and various licensed stories falling into one or two tiers between.

 

So what Mikael was asking was whether that was a fan-created "homebrew" ship some gamemaster created for his campaign and decided to share with others, or listed in one of West End's sourcebooks for the old 80's d6 RPG.

Ah, thank you for the info.  Man, I can't imagine those kind of debates.  Like, I abhor the new triology and I know someone who is a zealot for SW and has several webpages dissecting the new triology to bits.  For me, I get that it "might" be original in thought, but seriously after decades you just can't throw that in, even just basing of IV-VI

 

P.S. I would not support new triology!  That is the "Banta PooDoo" of canon :)


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 06:30 PM

Just gimme me a mini ISD.  Ain't nobody got time for scale anyway.

 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 06:39 PM

With Gencon not too far away, if we are going to see a huge Imperial ship/s as a counterpart to the current Rebel Scum offerings, it is likely that it will be revealed there like the GR-75 and CR-90 were last year.


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 06:44 PM

Just gimme me a mini ISD.  Ain't nobody got time for scale anyway.

 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:35 PM

 

Just gimme me a mini ISD.  Ain't nobody got time for scale anyway.

 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:43 PM

I've said this before, but I'll say it again:
 
I don't think the Empire will get any huge ships.  At least, not like the rebels just have.  I think the Empire will bring a different type of Epic play into the mix.  Maybe a Trench Run set that comes with laser towers and the like.  I think FFG can do better than "here's the Imperial version of the product we just released.  It plays the same... but different."

Whats wrong with similarbut different? Works great for all the small and large ships.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:16 PM

The Vigil seems like the best bet to me as well. It's size could be flexed enough to fit and it has a profile similar enough to a Star Destroyer that fans of just the movies will still be drawn in. Otherwise that Imperial ship from the Rebels trailer looks like a good choice. For the big ships I do think familiar is better. The Customs Frigate may look cool, but not many casual fans will pick it up just for a desk ornament.



#35 Eltnot

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:33 PM

The Imperial ship at the beginning of this trailer might be a likely candidate.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 06:35 AM

I would sure like to see an appropriate scale Imperial ship. I vote for the Vigil, but more info about that ship at the beginning of the "Rebels" trailer would be good too. I think epic battles are the area to move into with continued support for snub fighters that allow for small skirmishes too.

 

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 09:16 AM

I just hope the Empire big ship is different enough from the rebel ships to add some flavor.  A vanilla gun platform would be pretty boring.  I vote for tractor beams and boarding to spice things up.  Imperial huge ships should deal serious damage and make use of storm trooper boarding parties against other capital ships.  Storm troopers could literally be one of the teams aboard the ship.


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Posted 19 May 2014 - 01:38 PM

If I was a betting man, I would put my money on the Imperials getting the Nebulon-B with the next release. If FFG really loved us the would give us cards for both factions...

"But, but, but...Star Destroyers," I hear you say. I don't think so. Why?

A.) Scale. If they kept it the same scale as the small ships, an ISD would be the size of a car. If the use the sliding scale they used with the corvette, it will merely cover the 3x6 play area. Either way the model would cost as much as a small car. I've already heard players bemoaning the cost of the Corvette. Think of the uproar over a monstrously expensive model that only the wealthiest players could afford.

B.) Point cost. an ISD is 10-11 times larger than a corvette. The point cost would be between 900-1000. Epic point cost would be between 30-33. That is a bare bones ship with no upgrades. You literally could not legally run an ISD.

C.) Doesn't fit Thematically. X-Wing is a game about dogfighting. ISD's are Capitol ships built to slug it out with other Cap ships. Fighters are gnats to be swatted by it's own squadrons and support ships.

"But, but, but...what about a smaller Star Destroyer esque ship, or similar from the EU?"

The X-Wing fanbase is already splitting over the EU ships entering the game. FFG has a lot more breathing room with small cheap ships that they know will be bought in multiples. A huge ship on the other hand...most players will buy one, if that many. They need an iconic canon ship to get the maximum number of players to buy in.

Which leads us to the Nebulon-B.

It is the smallest Imperial ship seen in the movies.

Using the sliding scale it will still be reasonably sized. Probably around 180 point cost. 4-5 epic points. 6 weapon hardpoints, tractor beams, can carry 2 squadrons.

An awesome ship that will thematically show the Empire's power. If they cost it at 4 Epic points, they could pair it with a 1 point ship to fill out Imperial epic lists.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 01:52 PM

 

I've said this before, but I'll say it again:
 
I don't think the Empire will get any huge ships.  At least, not like the rebels just have.  I think the Empire will bring a different type of Epic play into the mix.  Maybe a Trench Run set that comes with laser towers and the like.  I think FFG can do better than "here's the Imperial version of the product we just released.  It plays the same... but different."

Whats wrong with similarbut different? Works great for all the small and large ships.

 

 

Because the Huge ships are not designed to be played in standard death-match games.  Because regular and large ships are, FFG needs to keep things balanced.  The two Huge ships are designed for Epic play.  There is no ship the size of these two in the original Star Wars movies that play a memorable role in the movies.

 

That being said, the Empire does have "Epic" things that could be introduced to the X-wing game with a little bit of creativity.  I think FFG would better serve the game if they continue to provide DIFFERENT Cinematic and Epic elements for the game.



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Posted 19 May 2014 - 02:38 PM

"But, but, but...Star Destroyers," I hear you say. I don't think so. Why?

A.) Scale...
B.) Point cost...
C.) Doesn't fit Thematically…

Which leads us to the Nebulon-B.


I disagree; I think all three of those points lead us (regrettably) back away from the Nebulon-B. It's still twice the size of the Corvette, which means in order to meaningfully fit it on the table the scale would have to come down even further--but it can't come down too far, because we all have a pretty good idea from OT shots that it ought to be substantially bigger than the CR-90.

It's also still drastically more powerful than a single Corvette, and to me it's definitely a capital ship rather than something that has a meaningful role in a fighter-scale game.




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