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#41 VanorDM

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:56 PM

All the canon announcement said, effectively, is that if the new movies conflict with the existing EU, the movies win.


Which as I've said before, is really the same thing George said a number of times himself. EU fine but anything in the movies trumps that, including stuff in movies that came out after the EU source.

So he would have no trouble with saying that Han and Leia don't actually get married and have kids no matter how much that was part of the post-ROTJ EU.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:57 PM

Also, see that senator's shuttle token in the core set? Prequels. Slave I? Prequels. Stellar envoy? (Falcon's precious incarnation) prequels. Could be wrong, but I think there's a lambda in there too somewhere. I don't buy the idea that prequel ships are lesser than ot ships. Ot ships (particularly rebel ships) are just more utilitarian, thus the more industrial aesthetic. The n1 was a royal escort ship, so was made with appearance in mind as much as punch. Think a sports car to a land rover. It still needed to protect the queen, so it needed serious capabilities as a star fighter. The fact the same astromech can interface with both an n1 and an x wing makes me think they aren't so far apart in underlying systems.
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#43 mazz0

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:57 PM

All the canon announcement said, effectively, is that if the new movies conflict with the existing EU, the movies win.

Which as I've said before, is really the same thing George said a number of times himself. EU fine but anything in the movies trumps that, including stuff in movies that came out after the EU source.So he would have no trouble with saying that Han and Leia don't actually get married and have kids no matter how much that was part of the post-ROTJ EU.

"It can be overwritten by anything in future x" basically means it's not canon. If that's always been the case then it was never canon.
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#44 FTS Gecko

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:58 PM

 

 

I hope it isn't prequal ships... I really want my Outrider. :P



Good Lord, Aminar and I actually agree on something.

See, there's been a lot of talk of "iconic" Star Wars ships. The X-Wing is synonymous with the franchise. The TIE Fighter. The Millennium Falcon. Slave-1. The Star Destroyer. In fact, pretty much every piece of technology shown in the Original Trilogy has that instantly-recognisable look and feel.

Other than the Naboo Fighter, I cannot for the life of me name a single starfighter from the prequel trilogy. Or large ship for that matter. Or capital ship. IIRC, over the course of the prequel trilogy, the vehicles slowly started to develop into and look more like the iconic vessels we knew and loved from the Original Trilogy, but can I actually name any of them?

....no, not really.

But yes, I hope the recent announcements regarding the canon status of the Extended Universe don't hamper FFG's plans. I'd love to see the Outrider, Assault Gunboats, Skipray Blastboats, Muurian Transports, Pursuer-Class Enforcement Ships... the Wild Karrde...

 

Can't agree with that..... 

 

 

Can't agree with what, exactly?

 

That the Original Trilogy ships were almost all easily-recognisable and identifiable?

 

That I (personally) am incapable of remembering the names of any of the prequel trilogy starfighters and ships?

 

My hopes that the EU announcements don't adversely affect FFG's planned releases?

 

Seriously, I'm confused now..


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:00 PM

…and as noted upthread, the announcement makes the Outrider undeniable canon, since it has a cameo in Lucas' most recent pointless rejiggering of A New Hope.

 

Without wanting to totally derail the thread, is it actually possibly to get unedited, unrevised, original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy any more?


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:01 PM

I have never seen anything to suggest this.  Just because disney isn't developing anything for the prequel era, it doesn't mean they "don't touch the prequels with at ten foot pole".  
 
Unless you have a link to an article the rest of us do not...

They cancelled the Clone Wars and literally everything they're developing is Imperial Era. Not a single Clone Wars or before then thing. Nothing.

As for people saying about EU being decanonised, take a look at Wave 4. LFL tells FFG what it can make and what it can't.

It said in the announcement that they've decanonised the EU stories, but the stuff in EU they reserve the right to source extensively from. Ships, planets, organisations, everything they like they're going to keep. This is not the last we'll see of the TIE defender, and hopefully this also means the TIE phantom will be sticking around.

EU is still fair game to source ships from. My bets are on us seeing more EU staples, and by staples I mean stuff like the Z-95 and TIE defender.

There's a big difference between FFG using a picture from the prequels for the shuttle (what other options were there, exactly) or the Seismic charge and them releasing Delta-7 blisters. Every Clone Wars era ship that fits in X-wing's factions (and I mean has been used, not you personally think it could work) has already been made. Z-95, Y-wing, Firespray-31. There's nothing else that goes in the OT era. This isn't Starship Battles where the factions are Lightside and Darkside and you get Star Destroyers flanked by Lucrehulks.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:02 PM

It is disappointing no FFG employees can frequent these forums and reply to our questions/concerns.  It would be awesome just to get some feedback if prequel are in the running or not, or just some player engagement.



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:02 PM

"Haven't seen a wave 5 speculation thread for a while"

 

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Edited by Kelvan, 02 May 2014 - 01:03 PM.

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#49 VanorDM

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:08 PM

If that's always been the case then it was never canon.


That's kinda the point. GL always believed he could overwrite anything in the EU at a whim, because it just didn't count for him. He once talked about it being a separate universe from his movies.

But it's just a simple fact that the movies trumps all, which means parts of the EU were already invalid because a higher level source had something that conflicted with it.

That's why LFL came out with their levels of canon.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:19 PM

I think the Clone Wars was ended because it wasn't really profitable anymore. A cartoon with a cancelled toy line isn't long for this world. But I do think LFL will keep a separate, PT game from being made until after Episode VII.

 

Still, my ideal Wave 5 would be:

 

Outrider/YT-2400

R-41 Starchaser

Virago/Starviper

TIE Avenger



#51 Papamambo

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:36 PM

This has all been done before (Canonization I mean).

 

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away there was the Original Trilogy - Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi (I still refuse to call them Episodes IV, V, and VI)

 

These were like the 10 commandments - Thou shalt NOT write stories that took place before Star Wars, as George had a plan in mind to revisit a prequel saga.  Thou shalt NOT write stories after Return of the Jedi.

 

Then a funny thing happened.  He started making money by the boatload on licensing and toys.  He opened things up slightly..  Comics were made that took place during the movie period (Galactic Civil War) - Marvel had these rights.  Then he licensed out authors to write stories as well - Splinter of the Mind's Eye takes place between Star Wars and Empire.  There were 2 series that took place before Star Wars, and told a back story about Han Solo - Han Solo at Stars' End, Han Solo's Revenge, and Han Solo and the Lost Legacy.  There was a series about Lando as well - Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu, Lando Calrissian and the Flamewind of Oseon, and Lando Calrissian and the Starcave of Thonboka (I still have my original Hardcovers of all 6 of these books..).

 

Everything was good for a time, but anything further back than these 'prequel' series was verboten.  Anything written that took place after ROTJ was also off limits.  Then, in the early 90's, Lucas thought to himself, maybe I'll open up things to be written that take place after ROTJ, and thus Timothy Zahn (Praise Be Unto Him) created the Thrawn Trilogy, and thus the Expanded Universe was truly born.

 

What came after was a deluge of comics - with licensing deals moving to Dark Horse, Books moving from Del Rey to Bantam, Video Games and the like.

 

NONE of these were considered canon.  Lucas had always stated that the Movies stood on their own.  Then a few years later, these rules were slackened a bit.  Certain things had varying degrees of canonicity (is that a word? Let's say it is..)

 

Movies have always been number 1, Books 2, Comics 3, Video games fell in last..

 

Now that Disney has taken the reins from LFL, they haven't discarded anything, they've just backpedalled a bit in what they consider to be canon.  Movies are considered canon only.  Anything that is EU MAY be used in future movie projects.  This was done so that JJ, and whoever comes after him isn't bound by the EU, and has some freedom.  Are Han and Leia married??  Maybe.  According to the books they are.  According to the books, they have a few kids too.  But JJ doesn't have to go by the books.  He can if he wishes, and once he does commit it to the screen, it shall be forever set in digital stone as canon.

 

So, after this long winded rant, does this mean that FFG can't use EU stuff?  Hell no!  They can likely do whatever they like - Disney won't care, as long as they make money from it, and it doesn't step on the toes of upcoming releases.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:42 PM

This has all been done before...

 

 

...and will be done again?


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#53 VanorDM

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:46 PM

Movies are considered canon only.


That's not true.

From this point everything released by Disney/LFL story group will be considered canon. There's now only 2 levels. Canon and Legends.

Here's the quote.

On the screen, the first new canon to appear will be Star Wars Rebels. In print, the first new books to come from this creative collaboration include novels from Del Rey Books. First to be announced, John Jackson Miller is writing a novel that precedes the events of Star Wars Rebels and offers insight into a key character's backstory, with input directly from executive producers Dave Filoni, Simon Kinberg, and Greg Weisman.



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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:49 PM

This has all been done before...

 
 
...and will be done again?

Are you mixing franchises?!?
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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:56 PM

 

 

This has all been done before...

 
 
...and will be done again?

Are you mixing franchises?!?

 

 

 

Possibly.  It's almost May 4th, and I need to get my geek on.


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#56 DarthSidious

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 01:59 PM

As a fan of the prequel trilogy, I'm fine with FFG sticking with OT ships.  The game's got a nice Rebellion vs. Empire feel, and doesn't really need the addition of two new factions.  I've never really cared about the EU, so I don't have any emotional attachment to it, but as a source of more ships, I'm all for it.  As long as the focus is small ships > large ships > huge ships, then FFG will continue to receive a portion of my disposable income.


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#57 Vorpal Sword

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 02:03 PM

This has all been done before...

 
 
...and will be done again?

Are you mixing franchises?!?

It's half Star Wars and half Ecclesiastes.
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#58 Papamambo

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 02:05 PM

 

Movies are considered canon only.


That's not true.

From this point everything released by Disney/LFL story group will be considered canon. There's now only 2 levels. Canon and Legends.

Here's the quote.

On the screen, the first new canon to appear will be Star Wars Rebels. In print, the first new books to come from this creative collaboration include novels from Del Rey Books. First to be announced, John Jackson Miller is writing a novel that precedes the events of Star Wars Rebels and offers insight into a key character's backstory, with input directly from executive producers Dave Filoni, Simon Kinberg, and Greg Weisman.

 

 

You misunderstood what I was saying.  Anything previously released (movie wise) is considered Canon only.  Anything that comes now will also be considered canon (not necessarily movies) if that makes sense.  What I meant was that the EU as it stood prior to Disney's announcement is null and void. Not canon.  The movies were.  Now whatever is published on a go forward will be the new canon..


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 02:06 PM

This has all been done before...

 
 
...and will be done again?

Are you mixing franchises?!?

It's half Star Wars and half Ecclesiastes.

They wrapped it off from The Cycle of Time (The Sacrad Scrolls)

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 02:10 PM

…and as noted upthread, the announcement makes the Outrider undeniable canon, since it has a cameo in Lucas' most recent pointless rejiggering of A New Hope.

 
Without wanting to totally derail the thread, is it actually possibly to get unedited, unrevised, original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy any more?

Not that I know of, no. Each new pointless rejiggering is the authoritative pointless rejiggering, and Lucas would really prefer you forgot that there were earlier pointless rejiggerings.

...tongue-in-cheek, obviously, but as far as I know it really is Lucasfilm's policy.




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