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#21 Cymbel

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 07:26 PM

Solution 1: Take the supposedly more accurate bullpup "sharpshooter" lasgun and give it accurate and such.

 

Solution 2: There is a take apart assassin long las with modulated frequencies that turn it to non-visible spectrum. Downsides are the limited range, lesser damage and teeny clip capacity.



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Posted 09 April 2014 - 05:47 AM

Solution 3: Use a needle pistol.

 

Long lases are not weapons for covert assassination, really.  And I find the idea of a compact one to be absurd, at least as long as it still has the full Basic weapon Accurate Quality.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:17 AM

A compact longlas is an absurd idea. Next they want a compact Land Raider :P

 

A longlas that can be broken into smaller pieces and reassembled prior to firing is a cool concept (seen in a hundred movies and TV-series).


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:35 PM

We do have compact Land Raiders. They're called "Rhinos".


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:35 PM

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 09:04 AM

In game terms, I'd go with (Best-Craftsmanship) a Micro'd Long-Las with a Scope and Whisper-Bolt Discharger.

Is it the best possible Long-Las? Of course not. But it's ridiculously compact, and the Scope compensates for the reduced range. If you don't mind reloads, you could also slap a Hot-Shot Charger on it.

Some of that of course requires you to pull on cross-book material. Micro is from Rogue Trader, and the Hot-Shot Chargers are from Only War, I think.

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#27 Boss Gitsmasha

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 12:54 PM

Hotshot charge packs are in the core book. The single shot probably doesn't matter since Micro cuts the magazine size down significantly anyway.


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Posted 01 May 2014 - 01:26 PM

I'm not entirely sure, but does "Micro" not only increase the Rarity of the ammunition, rather than touching clip size?

I recall something about the ammunition being made smaller itself, too. Which in the case of a las weapon probably means a more advanced battery capable of storing greater amounts of energy in a smaller space.

 

(now, someone find a way to slap four Micro batteries together for a Hot-Shot chargepack with 4 rounds :ph34r:)



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Posted 01 May 2014 - 05:12 PM

I'm not entirely sure, but does "Micro" not only increase the Rarity of the ammunition, rather than touching clip size?

I recall something about the ammunition being made smaller itself, too. Which in the case of a las weapon probably means a more advanced battery capable of storing greater amounts of energy in a smaller space.

 

(now, someone find a way to slap four Micro batteries together for a Hot-Shot chargepack with 4 rounds :ph34r:)

 

Yep, rarity increased by two steps, no effect on magazine size. And while the thing is... pretty useful, I think I'd rather Micro different weapons for more efficient damage (since it now counts as a pistol, thus greatly reducing it's damage-potential... I'd probably use a Lathe-Boarding gun with Fire-Selector and lots of specialist ammunition...

 

Oh, and sorry for the like -> unlike, Lynata, misclicked when I wanted to quote you  :unsure:



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Posted 01 May 2014 - 06:40 PM

Oh, and sorry for the like -> unlike, Lynata, misclicked when I wanted to quote you  :unsure:

 

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 08:20 PM

 

Oh, and sorry for the like -> unlike, Lynata, misclicked when I wanted to quote you  :unsure:

 

D-does that mean ... you don't like me anymore?

 

 

 

 

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Anyway, back to topic, I don't think it's that efficient to turn a longlas into a micro-longlas. I'd rather have a micro-boarding gun (that'd be one hell of a deck-sweeper) or... hmm... Compact Storm Bolter, dual wielding and backpack-supply... ouch... or two compact Vox-Legi pattern Combat Shotguns (which are quite OP anyway, stopping power of an Astartes Bolter? wtf?)



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 02:53 AM

At some point the GM really should put his foot down and go "No, you can't do this, that's stupid."

 

I guess the point of threads like these is to see how far we can push our long-suffering GMs.


"Oomans are pink an' soft, not tough an' green like da Boyz. Dey'z all da same size too, so dey'z always arguin' about who's in charge, 'cos dere's no way o' tellin' c'ept fer badges an' ooniforms an' fings. When one o' dem wants ta lord it over da uvvers, 'e says 'I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me', or 'I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good'. Da funny fing is, 'arf of 'em believe it an' da uvver 'arf don't, so 'e has ta hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. Wot a lot o' mukkin' about if yer asks me. An' while dey'z all arguin' wiv each uvver over who's da boss, da Orks can clobber da lot."


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:02 AM

At some point the GM really should put his foot down and go "No, you can't do this, that's stupid."

 

I guess the point of threads like these is to see how far we can push our long-suffering GMs.

 

Well, I am mostly a GM myself and the biggest Powergamer in our group, so that's ok :D

 

But, yeah, at some point a GM has to make a stand, if necessary by throwing with burning cows. 


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:31 AM

At some point the GM really should put his foot down and go "No, you can't do this, that's stupid."

 

I guess the point of threads like these is to see how far we can push our long-suffering GMs.

The original idea was actually to avoid that, to find something that both was small and balanced without being stupid. That the GM had his own ideas about this, how you could twist of the barrel, get a longer back pack and then hide it is a whole other thing


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Posted 17 May 2014 - 06:45 PM

Compact sniper rifle you say?

Impossible you say?

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#36 Santiago

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:02 PM

There is such a thing as a compact sniper rifle, the SRS A1 for example

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