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#21 htsmithium

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 12:51 PM

I think that an unaligned tome would be a great place to flesh out Be'lakor and his mortal followers.


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#22 Amroth

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 01:09 AM

I think that an unaligned tome would be a great place to flesh out Be'lakor and his mortal followers.

 

I hadn't heard of him before but just read up on some of his history, I definitely like that idea.

 

Also HMBC you mentioned the Sons of Malice, wasn't there a short story written about them not long ago where they performed a ritual using a number of their champions from a contest to summon Malice back? That would hint to me he's back in the game and ready to cause mayhem to traitors and loyalists alike.

 

Oh and if we can't call him Malal I think Maloch sounds better than Malice, unless of course that has been disallowed too......


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Posted 20 March 2014 - 06:15 AM

I think Malice is a strange name. It doesn't really fit with the way the other Chaos Gods are named.

In any case, yes, you're right that there is a story about them sacrificing 11 champions (apparently 11 is Malice's sacred number) to bring Malice into the world/make him appear. How much GW wants Malice to appear in the background is another question though, but it'd be fun to do a "Malice in the Vortex" supplement.

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#24 Drake56

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 06:19 AM

I'd like to see the old system for creating minor chaos gods again like we had in lost and the damned. Alos there is many references in various Chaos books to these minor gods. i'd also like to see more unaligned weapon powers and possibly the ability to create other posesed artifacts like the old deamon armours.
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Posted 20 March 2014 - 11:05 AM

I think Malice is a strange name. It doesn't really fit with the way the other Chaos Gods are named.

In any case, yes, you're right that there is a story about them sacrificing 11 champions (apparently 11 is Malice's sacred number) to bring Malice into the world/make him appear. How much GW wants Malice to appear in the background is another question though, but it'd be fun to do a "Malice in the Vortex" supplement.

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The relative absence of Malal/Malice is a major hole in my mind.  He's the perfect foil to chaos and the embodiment of all the infighting that seems to occur among the followers of the dark gods.  I get that there may have been copyright/trademark issues with respect to Malal, but the concept is so good that GW should (have) made an effort to reintroduce Malal, simply under a different name.  Yes, something better than Malice.

 

To that end, Malal is making an appearance (not in person, of course) in one of my Dark Heresy campaigns.  A sector-spanning organization/cult is assisting an ultra-radical inquisitor that has taken a liking to that particular dark god.



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 02:25 PM

Vehicle and ship rules.  I think all of us want the ability to build our fleets and score personal transports.  How many of us would like to roll in a land raider.



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 03:24 PM

More Gifts/Mutations... The current list is short and awfully boring, with most useful Gifts only becoming good if you align yourself. Then again I invent new Gifts all the time, or just borrow from Tome of Corruption. There should also be a generic Rewards of the Gods table that any and all Heretics can roll on IMO...

More reasons to stay Unaligned, currently the only real reason is Exalted Psychic Powers...

 

Sons of Malice!! And maybe a better name for Malice...



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 03:32 AM

More Gifts/Mutations...

 

As someone who still has copy of Slaves to Darkness (roll D1000 for mutation table) I wholeheartedly agree with this.



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Posted 23 March 2014 - 08:13 PM

I'd like to rules for a recently fallen imperial.  So a marine would come with his full armor plus whatever he stole - losing relative xp and other class powers as part of the cost.  An inquisitor still has his badge of office rossette.

 

Stats for a surviving sons of horus.



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Posted 24 March 2014 - 06:53 AM

1) Significantly more gifts/mutations, such as d100 tables for each specific god.
2) Reasons to stay Unaligned when you're not a Psyker.
3) General filler content for everything in the Core Rulebook.
4) Malal and other minor chaos gods.

Mostly, I'd like to see a general expansion to the Core Rulebook that specifically isn't specific to any one major Chaos God, unless all major Chaos Gods are represented.

But before a Tome of Chaos Undivided, I'd like to see at least one major Campaign. Black Crusade is sorely neglected when it comes to these things. I realize that they wanted to make one major book for each Chaos God, but it would probably have been better to have a general expansion book at first, and then alternate between a major Chaos God book and a storyline/campaign book.
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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:29 AM

 

Excuse me, Amroth, but isn't Malal retconned out of the fluff just like the Squats? 

 

Yeah, he is. The only references to Malal come in incredibly oblique ways, such as the Sons of Malice Chapter, and the Dreadaxe. That sort of thing.

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There are other renegade chaos Gods that have not been retconned officially though, such as Necoho and Zuvassin. They are just not as well known as Malal


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 11:52 AM

I have both Slaves to Darkness and Lost and the Damned books and put together a home brewed mutations and a gift of the gods table for BC. It is a paper copy but can scan it and share if people are interested?
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Posted 26 March 2014 - 01:51 PM

I have both Slaves to Darkness and Lost and the Damned books and put together a home brewed mutations and a gift of the gods table for BC. It is a paper copy but can scan it and share if people are interested?

 

Hell yeah I would be interested in that for sure!



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 12:15 AM

I have both Slaves to Darkness and Lost and the Damned books and put together a home brewed mutations and a gift of the gods table for BC. It is a paper copy but can scan it and share if people are interested?

Heard you got good Mutations  :ph34r:


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 08:45 AM

Vehicle and ship rules.  I think all of us want the ability to build our fleets and score personal transports.  How many of us would like to roll in a land raider.

 

Not necessarily the same as Rogue Trader, but some sort of 'naval battle' narrative rules would be good (I guess you can just use and abuse the massed combat rules, though). Running a 'proper' planetary assault would be cool. Although there are supposedly 'rules for running a black crusade' in 'tome of decay', so there is yet hope (ironic that it's in the book of nurgle!)



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:23 PM

Vehicle and ship rules.  I think all of us want the ability to build our fleets and score personal transports.  How many of us would like to roll in a land raider.


The void combat rules in rogue trader are more than good enough to import into black crusade. New ones would be a waste of development time.
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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:57 PM

 

Vehicle and ship rules.  I think all of us want the ability to build our fleets and score personal transports.  How many of us would like to roll in a land raider.


The void combat rules in rogue trader are more than good enough to import into black crusade. New ones would be a waste of development time.

In this, I agree with Traejun.



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:39 AM

True enough, it might be better for FFG to put out a small supplement covering void travel and combat for BC fans who don't have or are not interested in acquiring RT.

 

Really no development time required, just bring the rules over with same minor tweaks (.i.e. using Sorcerers in place of navigators or even rules for corrupted navigators).

 

That way we can keep the full Nurgle Tome for more Nurgly stuff.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:16 AM

Regardless of whether it appears as either a book chapter in a tome of chaos undivided or as a supplement in its own right I would like to the black crusade equivalent of Dark Heresy 1st edition's Disciples of the Dark Gods so it could detail any particularly special threats that the games master might want to throw at the player characters such as chaos cults that don't play nice with rivals or organisations that are in fact xenos influenced such as the Amarinthine syndicate or imperial organisations.

 

Alternatively if the games master decided to run a black crusade game where the player characters  find themselves under attack and have no choice but flee they could also be used as a potential nemesis.    



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:12 PM

Excuse me, Amroth, but isn't Malal retconned out of the fluff just like the Squats? 

 

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Is he actually retconned out of the fluff, or has he just not been mentioned for years? There's a pretty big difference between the two, when it comes to 40k fluff. The squats, for example, were never retconned, afaik. They just suffered a near-wipe-out as part of a retcon event and were then never mentioned. They still existed, and always have.


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